Colt Army Special .38 5"

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Went to a friends home today. He asked me to look at an old family piece with an interesting story. It is a 1913 Colt Army Special in .38sp. It is in really nice condition with some wear on the barrel and cylinder but quite a lot of blueing left and no pitting what so ever. Grips are excellent black rubber. They were a bit dirty but I cleaned them up and they are excellent. It was dry as a bone and extremely stiff. I could hardly cock the hammer when I got it from him. The cylinder is still very stiff to turn. I have taken the grips off and cleaned everything that I could reach on it but think that I need to remove the cylinder in order to get it freed up. How to remove the cylinder? Which screw is it? I have not messed with these, only familiar with S&w's.
 
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The right side frame screw in the front position,,the same one that releases the cylinder and crane from the frame on a S&W,,also releases the cyl&crane on the Colt.

There's no side plate on that side on the Colt, that's on the left side.
That screw when turned in or out will lift a bushing with it that does the actual engagement with the crane to hold it in place. That is the rounded head 'pin' you see right next to and partially overlapped by the screw itself.
The screw has a second shoulder under the head that engages the bushing and runs it up and down as the screw is turned.

You shouldn't have to fully remove the screw & bushing,,just back it out far enough to clear the crane inside. Then like a S&W,, the cyl and crane slide forward off the frame.
If you do remove the screw and the bushing,,no problem. Nothing will pop out or fly off to some dark corner of the room. No springs or plungers hiding in there.
Just don't loose the 2 pieces. They are sometimes a bit difficult to handle and restart back into the frame as they have to be positioned as one unit together, set into the frame and the screw then started to draw the bushing down with it.

A simple cleaning of the crane spindle:
If you just remove the cyl & crane from the frame.
Then pull the crane forward as far as it will go (as far as the ejector rod head generally or nearly that),,you can clean and lube the crane spindle itself. That may go a long way in helping the revolver work smoother and not have to bother with the disassembly described below.
When you do pull the crane forward out of the cylinder as an assembly,,you will be pulling against the internal ejector spring and the crane will want to spring back into the cylinder. That is normal. It just makes it a little difficult sometimes to hang onto when cleaning it up like this.


If you want to fully disassemble the cylinder itself:
Taking the cyl assembly apart from that point is more involved than a S&W.
It involves removing the ratchet/star from the back end. Problem is that it is screwed onto the center rod and then staked into position.
You can see the small stake marks down in the center hole where the bolt engages.

Don't be tempted to just wrestle the ratchet off and over power the stake marks either with the most commonly misused disassembly Colt tool,,the needlenose pliers. Or just by somehow clamping the extended extractor/star and turning the cylinder. That will result in bending and twisting the fragile fingers of the extractor and it's hell to ever get them just right again.
The revolver can be kicked out of time if the ratchet fingers are bent and then refitted and everything doesn't go back exactly as orig. Touchy little things they are.

A tool, either commercially made or shop made to engage the empty shell slots in the extended ratchet and then used to turn the ratchet off is the proper way. Even then you have to be careful and watch what you're doing.

Once that is off, there is a bushing down in the cylinder that needs to come out, It's unscrewed to remove it. Problem is it's down in there and it needs a spanner type . You need a hollow ended tool with a 2 prong spanner type head to engage and unscrew that bushing.
I think Brownells still sells this tool. Don't know about the first one.
Some 'smiths just make their own.
Most 'smith just don't want to work on Colts.


Hope this helps.
Nice revolvers, They changed the name of them to the Official Police somewhere in their mfg history. Probably for Marketing direction.
 
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"...there is a bushing down in the cylinder that needs to come out, It's unscrewed to remove it. Problem is it's down in there and it needs a spanner type . You need a hollow ended tool with a 2 prong spanner type head to engage and unscrew that bushing. I think Brownells still sells this tool. Don't know around the first one. Some 'smiths just make their own."

Once I made my own tool to do that, but I don't remember what I used, I think I made it up on a lathe. But that was long ago so I don't remember the details. Probably something you shouldn't do unless it's really essential.

The Army Special was never officially used by the U. S. Army. Around 1927, Colt renamed it as the Official Police for marketing purposes. It was available in .38 Special, .32-20, and .41 Long Colt. The Army Special/Official Police frame is nearly identical to the frame used by Colt on the various Officers Model, .357, early Trooper, and Python revolvers. The Colt OP was the principal competitor of the S&W K-frame revolvers, and is slightly beefier than the S&W frame. The Kuhnhausen book "Colt Double Action Revolvers, A Shop Manual, Vol. I" is the bible for gunsmithing all older Colt DA revolvers.
 
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If you don't have the proper tools for taking it apart ... I have one and can't take it apart either . A can of spray cleaner or a long soak in cleaner , followed by a through shaking and drying of solvent followed by a internal spraying of RemOil should do the trick .
I soaked mine in a DIY mixture called "Ed's Red Bore Cleaner" , used tooth brush , patches and rod to get it clean .
Let soak and scrub however many times it takes .
Gary
 
I bought prewar "beaters" to figure out, and I mostly did. I'm a tinkerer, not a gunsmith, and the wily Colt timing wasn't easy to get right. One came to me with perfect timing already which was nice.

Since this one is in great condition, I wouldn't take apart the cylinder. The crane screw is easy enough to back out with a good hollow-ground bit. Then do what others have suggested and soak it in solvent, blow everything out with compressed air, then re-oil the sliding and rotating parts. More than likely there is that old lube/oil in there that's gone dark brown and gummy with age.
 
Thanks all. I did as suggested and just backed out the crane screw to remove the cylinder. I have everything freed up and working nicely now.I could barely rotate the cylinder or pull the hammer back when I got ahold of it from my friend.
 

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