Colt Peacemaker versus the S&W Schofield

[Farmer17]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrqPGO1-aMQ[/ame]

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Interesting video, some of it is even true!

One point, you cannot fire Scofield ammo in a recessed chamber like Colt guns used at the time (The rim is too big!)

Another point, the Russians kept coming back to S&W, after they bankrupted M&H by not paying for a large shipment. S&W would gladly sell the gun payment in GOLD at delivery to New York! (rejected guns were not reworked, they were sold on our civilian market!) The Russians like the design sooooo much! The made them under license, to the tune of 300,000. But nobody really knows how many the actually made the only paid the royalty for 300,000! Until the 1911, the most produced handgun (military or civilian) in the world!

Ivan the Butcher, lover of No. 3 Russians!

 

[Alk8944]

Interesting video, some of it is even true!

One point, you cannot fire Scofield ammo in a recessed chamber like Colt guns used at the time (The rim is too big!)

Another point, the Russians kept coming back to S&W, after they bankrupted M&H by not paying for a large shipment. S&W would gladly sell the gun payment in GOLD at delivery to New York! (rejected guns were not reworked, they were sold on our civilian market!) The Russians like the design sooooo much! The made them under license, to the tune of 300,000. But nobody really knows how many the actually made the only paid the royalty for 300,000! Until the 1911, the most produced handgun (military or civilian) in the world!

Ivan the Butcher, lover of No. 3 Russians!

Interesting post, some of it is even true!

1) Colt SAA revolvers have never had recessed chambers, don't have any idea where you came up with this.

2) When commercial .45 S&W cartridges were loaded in the Colt SAA the rims would interfere with each other. Which caused the creation of the .45 Colt Government.

3) The .45 Colt Gov't. had a smaller rim than the Schofield cartridge. This cartridge worked in both revolvers. It also was shorter than the .45 Colt, probably being the "short" cartridge which eventually resulted in the .45 Colt being distinguished by referring to it as the .45 Long Colt.

4) When the .45 Model of 1909 Colt was adopted by the Gov't. the intermediate rim diameter of the .45 Colt Gov't. cartridge was used to insure more positive extraction in this "hand ejector type" revolver than was afforded by the small rim of the .45 Colt cartridge.

 

[Inusuit]

One point, you cannot fire Scofield ammo in a recessed chamber like Colt guns used at the time (The rim is too big!)

What is your source for this information? My references say the .45 Schofield will fit in a .45 Colt SAA even though the rim on Schofield is slightly larger - .522 vs. .512 for the Colt. The larger rim on the Schofield may create a problem in some tubular magazine rifles used in SASS competition, but not in the SAA or replicas. My .45 Colt SAA doesn't have a recessed chamber nor does my 1906 .45 New Service.

 

[Chuck24]

Schofield would definitely be an easier reload for mounted troops.

 

[Alk8944]

What is your source for this information? My references say the .45 Schofield will fit in a .45 Colt SAA even though the rim on Schofield is slightly larger - .522 vs. .512 for the Colt./QUOTE]


I will answer for him. Apparently you did not read my post. The source of my information is that I have several original Schofield cartridges that I have attempted to load in a Colt SAA cylinder. The rims interfere! The chamber spacing for the SAA is too close for a rim larger than a .45 Colt case. This isn't theory or based on nominal dimensions, but by actual trial.

 

[birdshooter]

Good video. I really like both the Schofield and SAA. The SAA is the more ergonomic gun. The Schofield is certianly faster to load/unload. Cant speak to the interchangability of the cartridges as this Schofield is a repro in 45 Colt.

 

[theothermikeg]

Nice guns birdshooter, but the Bourbon is catching my eye more than the SAA

 

[JayFramer]

Doesn't this constitute something of a drive by post?

Regardless, the Colt's was better than and it's better now. Don't remember The Duke or Paladin ever carrying a "Shoe Field" gun.

 

[Texas Star]

Doesn't this constitute something of a drive by post?

Regardless, the Colt's was better than and it's better now. Don't remember The Duke or Paladin ever carrying a "Shoe Field" gun.

But Hobie Gilman (?) did as a Texas Ranger in, Trackdown. I think he had either a Schofield or an early Russian, then a New Model No.3 Russian .44. One was star Robert Culp's own gun.

Hollywood was never expert in period arms. Anything beyond a Colt or a Winchester was exotic for them.

 

[S-W4EVER]

Schofield would definitely be an easier reload for mounted troops.

FWIW, Tom Selleck showed how the Cavalry (evidently) reloaded their Schofields in “Crossfire Trail”.

 

[Farmer17]

I love the looks and uniqueness of the Schofield and always wanted one.... until I shot one. Didn't like the feel at all, as a matter of fact I'm not crazy about the feel of the SAA but it's a whole lot better.

 

[Texas Star]

I don't think the Remington 1875 feels as good as the Colt, either. But I think it had fewer screws to loosen.

 

[nachogrande]

MOVIE STARS CHOICE???

Well if what took place in Hollywood movies count for anything??? My favorite movie reload was Clint E in the outlaw Josie Wales FWIW. The (if THE DUKE did it, it must be good theory) is silly, he also was able to shoot dozens of rounds from a six shooter without a reload.

 

[Farmer17]

Clint carried extra preloaded cylinders for his percussion revolvers that made for a pretty quick reload in the cap and ball revolver days. I don't ever remember reading about anyone in actual history doing it but it seems like a good idea.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

For the record, without double checking, it was either Jesse James or Billy the Kid who carried a Schofield or maybe it was both of them. I will research it later.

Also, the baddest of the gunsels in the remake of 3:10 to Yuma (2007 - wow, seems like yesterday!) carries a matched brace of Model 3 Schofields and he uses them extremely well (he should; Thell Reed taught him!).

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Clint carried extra preloaded cylinders for his percussion revolvers that made for a pretty quick reload in the cap and ball revolver days. I don't ever remember reading about anyone in actual history doing it but it seems like a good idea.

In the Pale Rider movie I think Clint did that but not in The Outlaw Josey Wales.
ICBW. There are very few historical references to cylinder reloading/switching I should say. It was far more convenient to carry extra guns. The Texas Rangers might have done the extra cylinder thing when they carried Paterson Colts.

As I recollect in the book The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Josey carries at least 4 guns, maybe as many as six at one point.

 

[Texas Star]

For the record, without double checking, it was either Jesse James or Billy the Kid who carried a Schofield or maybe it was both of them. I will research it later.

Also, the baddest of the gunsels in the remake of 3:10 to Yuma (2007 - wow, seems like yesterday!) carries a matched brace of Model 3 Schofields and he uses them extremely well (he should; Thell Reed taught him!).

I don't think there was a "Model 3 Schofield". You either had a Schofield (first or second model) or you could have a Model 3.
Unfortunately, more than one gun was called Model 3, the best being the evolved one with a much shorter ejector rod housing, more like a Webley.

 

[S-W4EVER]

I love the looks and uniqueness of the Schofield and always wanted one.... until I shot one. Didn't like the feel at all, as a matter of fact I'm not crazy about the feel of the SAA but it's a whole lot better.

I’ve got a Uberti Schofield and a couple Colt SAA’s (and also a few Ruger New Vaqueros & New Model Blackhawks). I didn’t care for the feel either until I started shooting them one-handed. YMMV but it works for me (and my large mitts).

 

[Alpo]

It has always been my understanding that there were no MODEL anythings until the Model 10. What they had before they came out with the hand ejectors at the turn of the century were NUMBERS.



Number 1. Number 1 1/2. Number 2. And Number 3. That referred to the frame size, like a J frame or an N frame.


The Number 3 was their large .44 gun. So the American was a Number 3. The Russian was a Number 3. The 1881 DA was a Number 3. And the Schofield was a Number 3.