Concealed Carrier Robbed of Weapon

[Varangi]

Yea tex. Youre a real badass. You can see a sucker punch coming to the face before the bad guy even thinks anout doing it.
You must have exellent SA!

I live amongst these crazy "Raider's Fans". My SA is always yellow when out of doors- especially driving- would not want to miss a chance to accidentally hit a raider fan with my truck or yell at one as he runs a stop sign in front of me.

Restrooms- unless its a AMC 16 multi-plex, Disney on Ice, or a Giant's Game,(too many wine and cheese eaters) I'll always eyeball the clown coming in behind me or the guy already there w/ the clogged plumbing. If somebody gets too close, I'd have to pull a Jack Nickleson on him and mark my territory. And while he's watching my little stream, I'd advise him in a gentle but firm manner of his social indiscretion. Bathrooms can be a slippery place.

As to peds, I pay attention to all persons within my security zone. I do not like folks walking behind me. I will always be courteous and allow them to pass. As I walk past folks, I offer eye contact- If they're wine and cheese eaters, male or female, they'll usually avert their eyes and hope I don't infect them- No Threat.

Only cops and crazy people look people in the eye. Street wise folks usually give me some sort of acknowledgment,(one predator to another) as we pass. I watch their non-verbal communication w/ emphasis on their hands and feet for signs of that "Sunday Punch". If I saw that Raider fan come in behind me, I would've put my back to the wall and initiated my best "Fight or Flight" Adrenal dump- usually not a good thing for Raider Fans- Dodger Fans neither.

It's not paranoia, it's training- which started in junior high school. A white kid alone was a very tempting target in the inner city which I learned on my very first day of 7th Grade. For all you folks that don't have "inner-cities", just ask yourself,"Where are all the Indians hiding?"

Peace out my Brother!!

Mike

 

[ClayCow]

I live amongst these crazy "Raider's Fans". My SA is always yellow when out of doors- especially driving- would not want to miss a chance to accidentally hit a raider fan with my truck or yell at one as he runs a stop sign in front of me.

Restrooms- unless its a AMC 16 multi-plex, Disney on Ice, or a Giant's Game,(too many wine and cheese eaters) I'll always eyeball the clown coming in behind me or the guy already there w/ the clogged plumbing. If somebody gets too close, I'd have to pull a Jack Nickleson on him and mark my territory. And while he's watching my little stream, I'd advise him in a gentle but firm manner of his social indiscretion. Bathrooms can be a slippery place.

As to peds, I pay attention to all persons within my security zone. I do not like folks walking behind me. I will always be courteous and allow them to pass. As I walk past folks, I offer eye contact- If they're wine and cheese eaters, male or female, they'll usually avert their eyes and hope I don't infect them- No Threat.

Only cops and crazy people look people in the eye. Street wise folks usually give me some sort of acknowledgment,(one predator to another) as we pass. I watch their non-verbal communication w/ emphasis on their hands and feet for signs of that "Sunday Punch". If I saw that Raider fan come in behind me, I would've put my back to the wall and initiated my best "Fight or Flight" Adrenal dump- usually not a good thing for Raider Fans- Dodger Fans neither.

It's not paranoia, it's training- which started in junior high school. A white kid alone was a very tempting target in the inner city which I learned on my very first day of 7th Grade. For all you folks that don't have "inner-cities", just ask yourself,"Where are all the Indians hiding?"

Peace out my Brother!!

Mike

So uh. Are you the crazy person or the cop?

 

[Old TexMex]

Wouldn't the ballast throw your aim off?

That's right Rusty, and the reason I pee in the bouganvillas in the garden department.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Only cops and crazy people look people in the eye. Street wise folks usually give me some sort of acknowledgment,(one predator to another) as we pass.

Mike

I am neither, and I'll look you right in the eye to try to figure out which one you are . . .

 

[Mainsail]

OK, before everyone goes paranoid and blows their bladder, and completely changes their safety plan, let's look at what we know about this event.

First of all, how did the reporter know the gun was partially exposed? It doesn't sound like the victim talked to the press, so why and how is it reported that the gun wasn't concealed well? No reporter would have been dispatched to the scene of this crime- it's too minor. The reporter called the police generically asking for any "newsworthy" stories, and the duty officer or sergeant gave him or her the details. The officer may have speculated that the gun was partially exposed, which was reported as fact.

Second, concealed carriers use public restrooms thousands of time each year- all without incident. There are a LOT of restroom assaults and it's not uncommon at all, the only thing different about this one incident is that it happened to a CCW holder. The only people who know what really went down were the robbers and the victim. Victims don't always tell the whole story.

It wouldn't matter if I was carrying openly, concealed, or not carrying at all- if someone follows me into a restroom (danger!) I want to be aware of it and would act accordingly. There are times and places where it is not unusual for one of us to be walking into a restroom with a crowd- people in front and the rear. Most times however, if I have someone right on my heels, alarm bells would be going off.

 

[Will Carry]

A common attack on men using urinals is to grab them by the back of the head and pull them backwards. Men will naturally resist by trying to pull themselves forward. The bad guy will use this momentum to reverse course and slam the victims head against the flush valve. I learned this in a basic handgun self defense course. The instructor said to always use the stall.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

That is a particularly vulnerable location calling for heightened awareness. You will either be in a confined space or have your back to people approaching you. Possibly partially disrobed. Certainly discommoded (pardon the pun).

Gentlemen, we should probably take a page from the ladies' book and start visiting the facility in pairs so one can watch the other's back.

Then there's the whole issue of leaving firearms in the stall...

Well, I will take my chances alone. I'm not a gonna start saying "I'm a going to the mens room to powder my nose" expecting all the guys to stand up

 

[ClayCow]

A common attack on men using urinals is to grab them by the back of the head and pull them backwards. Men will naturally resist by trying to pull themselves forward. The bad guy will use this momentum to reverse course and slam the victims head against the flush valve. I learned this in a basic handgun self defense course. The instructor said to always use the stall.

Anyone have stats on attacks in urinals?

 

[Varangi]

So uh. Are you the crazy person or the cop?

Depends on my meds

 

[Varangi]

I am neither, and I'll look you right in the eye to try to figure out which one you are . . .

There are exceptions to every rule. I would expect nothing less from the land of the James Brothers.
Do you like wine w/ your cheese?

 

[ClayCow]

So i make eye contact with people and I dont think its go be aware, its kinda the nice thing to do? I know many who look back and smile or say hi. It would be more awkward to not make eye contact and say hi.

 

[Varangi]

Anyone have stats on attacks in urinals?

Probably an under-reported stat. Would you want anyone to know you got beat while "Hanging a wire"? I can tell you that no self respecting heterosexual male will enter a public restroom in San Francisco.

 

[ClayCow]

Probably an under-reported stat. Would you want anyone to know you got beat while "Hanging a wire"? I can tell you that no self respecting heterosexual male will enter a public restroom in San Francisco.

What? There are many self respecting males who do. When you got to go, you got to go.

 

[LEOLT]

Well....

Prepare.Aware and Avoid... Never in small of the back and auto knife in case....IMHO
Ever wonder why Abdominal carry is also called Urban carry... they looking for the sh--t.

 

[Varangi]

What? There are many self respecting males who do. When you got to go, you got to go.

Have you ever heard the Joke, "What do you do if you drop a dollar bill on Polk Street?- Kick it to Van Ness..

Our homeless don't even use the public toilets-

 

[Varangi]

Prepare.Aware and Avoid... Never in small of the back and auto knife in case....IMHO
Ever wonder why Abdominal carry is also called Urban carry... they looking for the sh--t.

Not a problem out here in California, nobody has guns

 

[ISCS Yoda]

It seems to me that there are really only two issues here. The first is obvious - the victim is not to be blamed for the behavior of a criminal. Period. The second, in two parts that go together, so 2a and 2b, are that the victim lacked situational awareness and that was accompanied by the fact that he did not have his handgun concealed successfully. He is still not to blame for the acts of the criminal but the phrase "stupid is as stupid does" comes to mind.

The utilization of public toilets is a whole other discussion. Massad Ayoob has actually written about the subject. I am not going to explore the subject here except to note that being in a public toilet does present challenges to anyone, with or without a gun, male or female.

PAY ATTENTION.

 

[ClayCow]

Have you ever heard the Joke, "What do you do if you drop a dollar bill on Polk Street?- Kick it to Van Ness..

Our homeless don't even use the public toilets-

Ill poop just about anywhere. That is one thing I cant help.

 

[Mainsail]

I'm going to start carrying one of these S/O/B, and my regular gun up at 2:30.

 

[MadJack!]

The same kind of genius who robs gun-carriers is the guy who "loiters around jails."
You can't make this stuff up.


SEE UPDATE:


Medford police arrest suspect in gun robbery - News - MailTribune.com - Medford, OR

This is a strait up Inmate (not smart enough to be called a convict!). Slender, because he didn't have enough money while he was down to afford a lot of food. If he did have any money (or performed services), it went to drugs, K2/Spice (laced with lithium battery acid) being the most prominent (and one of the most brain frying, as the dumb get dumber). On the streets, he is most likely a Meth head, but crack wouldn't be out of the question. He's got the I'm in prison and I'm "Billy look. Unshaven, because he's rebelling for being made to shave for years. (Hey, I grew my beard after retiring from the Army!) Most importantly, prison pen ink tats on his neck, done with a Staph/MERSA infected needle, made from the metal stem from an Alkaline battery.