gregintenn
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I'm an absolutist on the entire constitution.
Concealed Carry
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shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
Then I was misinformed when I took the mandatory CCW license training soon after Kentucky became a shall-issue state (I didn't carry before that).
Thanks for setting me straight.
cmort666
Member
I had never heard anything like that about Kentucky.
WITH a CHL, Ohio used to REQUIRE open carry in a vehicle... strangely ironic in light of the repeated false arrests for "inducing panic" for lawful open carry outside of a vehicle, SINCE the passage of the concealed carry law (and the repeal of the requirement for open carry in vehicles). If you follow the "logic" of those false arrests, prior to the repeal of the provision, the Ohio Revised Code REQUIRED people to "induce panic" when carrying in a vehicle while in possession of a CHL...
Just what is your real motive!!
Based on your comments in this thread and some others I feel you have a very anti-2nd amendment agenda. Hope I'm wrong but your comments here and in other threads sure looks that way to me.
Don
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nachogrande
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leos and the law
leos are (almost always) not lawyers and generally may not know the current or exact meanings/intent of ALL laws and prior precedents. giving lip to a leo, during an initial encounter, even if you are correct is not a wise move. likely just gonna go from bad to worse imo. the time and place would be when in front of a judge or possibly a calmer more educated superior officer. unless you enjoy a good taze/pepper spray or baton session.
leos are (almost always) not lawyers and generally may not know the current or exact meanings/intent of ALL laws and prior precedents. giving lip to a leo, during an initial encounter, even if you are correct is not a wise move. likely just gonna go from bad to worse imo. the time and place would be when in front of a judge or possibly a calmer more educated superior officer. unless you enjoy a good taze/pepper spray or baton session.
Why is it that a person must be 100% for one opinion or 100% against--that is exactly what is wrong-------and why the extremes on either side will not prevail. Is it not possible that I support gun ownership but still acknowledge the right of a society to impose regulations????
gregintenn
Member
Sure you can. I can also choose to disagree with that view.
I have no idea of what "reasonable regulation" is regarding the 2nd amendment. I was born in 1953, a full 15 years before the GCA of '68. Seems like things were better before that "reasonable regulation." I live in Florida and got my permit exactly 25 years ago. Then, it was an 8 hour course, 4 hrs classroom and 4 hrs range time. A box of .38 reloads were provided, 20 to practice and 30 "serious." 12 folks with a few Brinks guards thrown in. Classroom time went over basics, operation and liability. Range was unscored for "civilians" scored for the guards. Thoroughly enjoyed that day. Now the state assumes you are able to handle a sidearm, a couple hours and pop off a few rounds at a local range. I figure the 8 hrs with a USMC (Ret) instructor is better but I don't want the state to mandate it either. I guess I'm big on personal responsibility but I was born before LBJ's "Great Society" in which we are presently living. Joe
Short answer....firearm ownership is "already" regulated to the hilt and these regulations are either (1)a burden on honest folks and ignored by felons or (2) the ones that could be useful aren't being enforced.
So, what do the liberals/progressives want...."more" regulations (just what you are calling for) and then they will want more regulations again. Their ultimate goal is to do away with the 2nd amendment and implement a ban on the private ownership of firearms. Many of them openly admit to that.
Just what is your real motive??
Don
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Did you not read my post?
We already have regulations.
Many, if not most of them have proved ineffective.
Is it not possible to recognize the need for some
regulation, but to admit that onerous, ineffective
regulations that punish the innocent while having
no effect on the guilty serve no purpose?
I am tired of people like you vilifying the
NRA and those of us who believe in a free society.
I was born in 1944 with my father away fighting the biq war-----I've see the 50s when marginal income tax rate was 90%----the 60s when the country was tearing itself apart over war, drugs, the counterculture etc, the 70s when all we cared about was coke, disco and free love, the 80s where we wen't from demoralization to hope of prosperity, the 90s with the internet bubble that burst in our faces, the 2000s where banker, brokers and speculators blew up the world's economy and now---where Americans seen more than ever --seem not able to compromise---to actually almost hate each other for thier opinions and actually talk about issues of states rights and secession long settled in the 1860s-----I should write a book but why bother when the only ones who would read it would be those who already agree with me
Thank you for your service.
That does not lessen the fact that I am tired of seeing people vilify me and the organization that I believe is just about the last, best hope for preserving freedom in the United States.
Every time you do that (criticize NRA and call us radicals, etc) I will call you out on it.
Thank you for your service....and I truly mean that. BUT, you seem bent on pursuing a course that would only diminish the freedoms you fought for....... the founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment to allow the people a means by which we can protect our freedoms (from an oppressive government, outside aggression or personal protection). By denigrating the NRA you insult me and all the other members of that organization. You continually tell how many guns you have.....I truly doubt you would be enjoying them today if it were not for the NRA . Your so called reasonable regulations would have taken care of that.
Don
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Lets face it. Overall there are many conflicting laws, probley many or most LE officers all have different interpitations on it that work on the same department. Sorta like calling up the IRS on a question and get a different answer on it depending on who answers the phone! Likely what answer you get if asked face to face just might also depend on whether they "like" your face or not. No wonder people are confused. No wonder they are scared.
I once seen a guy with a very scared look driveing through town with a revolver hooked over the arieal on his car! I really would like to have known the story on that one!
Years ago in california I had a friend get in trouble. He was a gun person, not a newby. He had been out shooting with a colt 1911. He was driveing a old van. He put the unloaded gun on the passenger seat alongside him in the open. He went through a drive through booger king or whatever. The girl giveing him his burger at the window seen the evil gun, paniced and called 911. Rick got a mile or two down the road and was pulled over and actualy went to jail! He had ammunition also in the van. Now had he had the gun in a car and the ammo in the trunk he would have been okay. Trouble was the van had no trunk!
Rick was trying to be legal and got bit. How many here just now on another thread were damning the posters son who had some guns stolen when he went in to pay for gas in oklahoma? There is or were areas that had laws that demanded you to keep your gun out in the open in a car and not concealed. Follow the law, get your gun stolen!
My personnal answer to all this confusion is to use my head, darn the stupid conflicting laws that no two people read the same!
I had two personnal incidents in my life where I could have got rapped but didnt. One was where I was packing in a MC accident. I was carrying a model 60 in my vest. It was night and I ran off a mountain road on my hog. I was hurt very bad. My buddy got down to me and also there was a small crowd of people there around me. It was a full moon lit night. I knew I was going to the hospital with a broken leg and cracked neck amoungst other breaks. My buddy showed up. I asked the people to step back, wanted a private word with bill and palmed him my smith.
Finaly I get to the hospital and here comes the chp again. He chased out the nurses and said he wanted a word with me. Now, what did you hand your buddy? People there told me you handed him a plastic envelope! Look, check me out. I have the card to open carry on the job. I know that dont apply here. I handed him a stainless smith, that probley looked like a baggy in the moon light. Was it loaded? No. You gonna write me? Naw. Your suffering enough.
The other deal I wrote about several times before. I was hit and ran, boxed them up, they hit and ran me several more times trying to get away. Basicly I held them at gun point until the LAPD cavery came to the resue. I skated that time too but it probley helped there was warrants out on the driver, I didnt ask for what.
I say use common sense, and odds are you will be okay.
I once seen a guy with a very scared look driveing through town with a revolver hooked over the arieal on his car! I really would like to have known the story on that one!
Years ago in california I had a friend get in trouble. He was a gun person, not a newby. He had been out shooting with a colt 1911. He was driveing a old van. He put the unloaded gun on the passenger seat alongside him in the open. He went through a drive through booger king or whatever. The girl giveing him his burger at the window seen the evil gun, paniced and called 911. Rick got a mile or two down the road and was pulled over and actualy went to jail! He had ammunition also in the van. Now had he had the gun in a car and the ammo in the trunk he would have been okay. Trouble was the van had no trunk!
Rick was trying to be legal and got bit. How many here just now on another thread were damning the posters son who had some guns stolen when he went in to pay for gas in oklahoma? There is or were areas that had laws that demanded you to keep your gun out in the open in a car and not concealed. Follow the law, get your gun stolen!
My personnal answer to all this confusion is to use my head, darn the stupid conflicting laws that no two people read the same!
I had two personnal incidents in my life where I could have got rapped but didnt. One was where I was packing in a MC accident. I was carrying a model 60 in my vest. It was night and I ran off a mountain road on my hog. I was hurt very bad. My buddy got down to me and also there was a small crowd of people there around me. It was a full moon lit night. I knew I was going to the hospital with a broken leg and cracked neck amoungst other breaks. My buddy showed up. I asked the people to step back, wanted a private word with bill and palmed him my smith.
Finaly I get to the hospital and here comes the chp again. He chased out the nurses and said he wanted a word with me. Now, what did you hand your buddy? People there told me you handed him a plastic envelope! Look, check me out. I have the card to open carry on the job. I know that dont apply here. I handed him a stainless smith, that probley looked like a baggy in the moon light. Was it loaded? No. You gonna write me? Naw. Your suffering enough.
The other deal I wrote about several times before. I was hit and ran, boxed them up, they hit and ran me several more times trying to get away. Basicly I held them at gun point until the LAPD cavery came to the resue. I skated that time too but it probley helped there was warrants out on the driver, I didnt ask for what.
I say use common sense, and odds are you will be okay.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of
us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an
enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
I am not denigrating the NRA--I am saying they I believe they are wrong on many issues--------yet no one will acknowledge that they are not god almighty---starting to feel like Chesty Puller at the Chosin resevoir surrounded by the Chinese.
us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an
enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
I am not denigrating the NRA--I am saying they I believe they are wrong on many issues--------yet no one will acknowledge that they are not god almighty---starting to feel like Chesty Puller at the Chosin resevoir surrounded by the Chinese.
USAF385
US Veteran
So if there was a regulation that said you could only own one firearm, would you be ok with that?
"...the NRA has morphed into a minority of mindless radicals who are shills for the firearms manufacturers and spew mindless bile and garbage."
den·i·grate (dn-grt)
tr.v. den·i·grat·ed, den·i·grat·ing, den·i·grates
1. To attack the character or reputation of; speak ill of; defame.
2. To disparage; belittle.
Roy Odhner
Member
I believe that there has to be some minimum of gun proficiency required to go along with a CHL. Many people who apply for a CHL have no previous experience with firearms, but they have a right to carry and protect themselves. I think it is only reasonable that Texas requires some sort of proficiency training to go along with the CHL, and it is completely in keeping with the logic that you need to display a basic level of driving proficiency to be issued a driver's license so you should also have to display some basic level of proficiency with a firearm to be issued a CHL.
I think Texas has done a good job at striking a balance between my right to carry and my fellow citizen's right to expect that I have at least a basic understanding of firearms to be able to carry one. Is it perfect? No, cuz there is always gonna be some idiot who managed to get a CHL and went out and did something exceedingly stupid with his weapon... and in that case Texas will hammer the snot out of him or her in a Court of Law. No system is perfect, but Texas has done it's best to create a sane concealed carry licensing program.
You can't fix stupid, or legislate it out of existence. If you have a CHL and regularly carry, it is incumbent upon you to be proficient with your weapon. Every round you fire in a self-defense shooting is subject to scrutiny, so you darn well better make sure you hit what you're aiming at and didn't hose-down the Piggly Wiggly in the process, that you did so in a legal fashion, and that you did all you could to avoid having to fire that weapon in the first place.
Criminals do not get CHL's. Law abiding citizens do, or at least if they're smart they do cuz the legal ramifications for not getting one are pretty steep should you ever have to use that weapon. An orderly society is not a pack of apes, so there are rules, regulations, and laws. I do not think it unfair that my fellow law-abiding citizens expect that I have at least a basic proficiency with my weapon and am appropriately licensed to carry it. I know that I expect no less of my fellow law-abiding and pro-social citizens. We expect that sworn law enforcement officers are appropriately trained and certified, so why should we settle for anything less for civilians?
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USAF385
US Veteran
Driving is a privilege. The right to bare arms is, obviously, a right.
I agree 100% that people should train with their firearms before carrying, but it shouldn't be mandated that you pay for a class. You shouldn't need to PAY over $200 for a right.
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