I have an M&P 9mm full size, and I love it, but I lent it to my daughter and she now likes it and doesn't want to give it back.....So I decided to order her a M&P 9 compact, figuring it would be the same thing only smaller, but looking at some spec listed here and there it says it is DAO..?? I really can't see how it would be a DAO since it doesn't have a hammer and it doesn't have a de-cocker that I can see... So can someone tel me if it is the same striker fired action as my Full size M&P 9mm or is it somehow a DAO..?
Confused by M&P9c description
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Thank you for that info, I can rest easy now....they had me worried for awhile. I saw a spec, on the S&W website that said it has a 10lb. trigger pull, so I started to think that maybe they did do a DAO model somehow.
Rastoff
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People are often confused by that. I believe they use the terminology DAO so they can sell more guns to law enforcement bean counters who know zip about guns.
All M&P pistols are single action.
All M&P pistols are single action.
N4KVE
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To me, a 1911 is "single action". A M&P is a striker fired weapon, & the term Glock uses for that is "safe action". On a single action gun, when the hammer is cocked, if the trigger just moves a hair, the gun fires. None of that happens on a striker fired weapon. No hammer to cock, & the trigger moves a lot before the gun fires. GARY
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10 lb would be a MA (Massachusetts) compliant model.
Rastoff
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The definition of SA or DA is only related to what the trigger does.
Single Action
The trigger releases the sear.
Double Action
The trigger sets and releases the sear.
It has nothing to do with the striker or hammer. If it were a double action gun, the trigger would do two things. It only does one thing in an M&P.
Single Action
The trigger releases the sear.
Double Action
The trigger sets and releases the sear.
It has nothing to do with the striker or hammer. If it were a double action gun, the trigger would do two things. It only does one thing in an M&P.
The one I am getting is the 209304 and it is the 12 round, so I am hopeful that the distributors description was just messed, it shouldn't be a MA model with 12 rd.
I have my answer now, I believe the descriptions I read were just messed up.
Johnmuratore
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Mass compliant?
Guys,
I think you're mixing up mag capacity with trigger pull.
I have a 9c and .40c and if the trigger pull is 10lbs, I must be Superman, because after the slack, the pull is quite light. I haven't measured it but I would estimate its no more than 5 lbs.
Magazines are considered Mass compliant if they hold 10 rounds or less for anything sold after 1994.
Guys,
I think you're mixing up mag capacity with trigger pull.
I have a 9c and .40c and if the trigger pull is 10lbs, I must be Superman, because after the slack, the pull is quite light. I haven't measured it but I would estimate its no more than 5 lbs.
Magazines are considered Mass compliant if they hold 10 rounds or less for anything sold after 1994.
Bagstrap
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Correct! Here in the peoples republic of Massachusetts we have 10 rd limits on mags (foolish).
Have the 9C and 9 Shield, great pieces!
N4KVE
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Respectfully, I disagree. For well over a hundred years, a "single action" gun had a hammer which had to be cocked for the weapon to fire. The trigger barely moved to drop the hammer. Suddenly S&W makes a striker fired weapon, & it's "single action". Funny Glock [which S&W copied so much they were sued by Glock & lost] calls that a "safe action" gun. Maybe Glock has a patent on that term, but why should the definition of a single action gun change after over a hundred years?
Rastoff
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I guess I don't understand why people are confused by this. The trigger only does one thing, thus single action makes sense.
The idea that a hammer needs to be cocked is irrelevant. The striker needs to be cocked too. The striker is coked by the action of the slide just like a 1911.
The idea that a hammer needs to be cocked is irrelevant. The striker needs to be cocked too. The striker is coked by the action of the slide just like a 1911.
OK guys, thanks for the input, but really we are off the subject now.....I don't need to know what the difference is between DA and SA, I just wanted to know why S&W had literature and descriptions out there calling the M & P compact a DAO... that's all, got my answer a ways back. Thanks everyone!
209304 is the one I have, No Internal Lock, No Mag Safety, No Thumb Safety, 12 round. Make sure that is what you actually get. The model number will be on the label on the outside of the box.
The DAO is because the striker in the M&P guns is almost, but not quite, all the way back. Pulling the trigger takes the striker marginally back before releasing it. As mentioned before this design was probably just to market to police, because the amount the striker moves back is tiny. Effectively it is an almost single action design.
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