Considering a 1076...help please!

[loeman]

I was at my FFL's place to do a transfer when he pulled out a 1076 that he is considering selling. Until that moment I had no interest in getting into 10mm and I didn't know much about them. However, on second thought I began to think I need one! This one is in very average condition, while not beat up, it certainly is not excellent either. And, I'm assuming it is the regular commercial model and was not made for the FBI even though I didn't think to check whether or not it has a magazine safety disconnect. BTW, it did have the "read the instruction manual" notice. No price was quoted other than "figure out what you think it is worth and make me an offer". Here are my questions.

What range of value would you place on a good, average condition 1076 with 1 mag and no box etc.? Are aftermarket grips available that accommodate the frame mounted decocker? Is the 1076 any more or less desirable than the 1006? Are mags easy to find and reasonably priced?

 

[epj]

I'd say the gun and one mag would bring at least $7-750 in most locales. That could be on the low side in some places.

 

[Sevens]

You live in a free state so I would say that we can rule out communist pricing right away. (whew! )

As far as I know, there are no aftermarket grips that work with the Sig-style decocker. I might also suggest that finding an OEM grip in the event of a problem could be sketchy or at least difficult.

As for 1076 vs 1006 desirability? Well, that is really open to interpretation for darn sure. There were less 1076's produced than 1006's, so that's one way to argue, however the 1076 is not scarce like, say the 1046. More than 10,000 of the 1076 made.

The 1076 uses a nutty decocker that S&W was obviously -NOT- exactly in-tuned to developing... I don't know of anyone who believes it compares well with the same style lever that Sig developed and executed on their pistols. It was only implemented at the direct demand of the FBI contract and S&W barely even attempted to put it on any other pistols. Very rare to find outside of the two 10mm models we see it on most.

In my opinion, I kind of really, really hate that stupid thing. Really. So if I were looking for a S&W 10xx pistol, the one I want more than anything is the 1006.

With all that said...
No way would I walk past a 1076 with my nose in the air!
Given the condition you describe and no box and no extra magazines, I think this might be a $700 or maybe $750 pistol. And I would want it out the door for that money, after tax. To be completely honest, considering I have a 1006 that I love, I would not spend that much of my own money for a 1076 but I think it is a fair price for someone that seeks a S&W 10xx pistol.

I cannot imagine that everyone would agree with my take, but I find the 1076's oddball and poorly executed decocker, it's oddball grip and it's shorter slide/barrel to all be detractors to it compared to the five other models. But I might still select a fixed Novak 1076 over any of the other 10xx's if the other 10xx had the horrendous adjustable rear sight, which looks like a still-steaming cowflop placed on top of a Ferrari.

 

[jsbethel]

Magazine prices have gone crazy over the last year but seem to have stabilized somewhat. Straight grips are still available at Numrich. Make sure the two dots are stamped under the decock lever indicating recall service.

 

[MP1518]

A good 1076 is getting harder to find. I recently bought an FBI gun with the box and 6 magazines. Excellent condition . Would love to get another 1076 for a shooter.

 

[Fishslayer]

We pay a premium for just about anything in Kalifornistan but I would pay $1K without a blink. Might even wrench my shoulder getting to my wallet.

 

[loeman]

Thanks everyone for your comments, advice and most of all knowledge. I appreciate it very much. Now if friendly negotiations are necessary I will be "armed" with info and a list of things I will have to buy if I get the 1076. The overall finish is pretty good but the stocks are scuffed up pretty bad so I will need new stocks, at least two mags and a new set of springs. I'll let you know what happens.

BTW, I failed to mention in my original post that this 1076 has the Novak Low Mount and not the "steaming cow flop".

 

[Sevens]

I think a S&W 10xx does better with a "heavier than OEM" recoil spring. All of the other springs don't concern me a lot. Wolff is the best source for a heavier spring. I put a 22-lb spring in my 1006 at the suggestion (years ago!) of uber 10xx enthusiast "The Shadow" who appears around these forums on occasion.

Magazines will be a bit of a headache for you, very sorry to say. Gunbroker and Ebay have them regularly, both places will make you drop expletives and spit fire.

Definitely update this thread when you know more!

 

[k22fan]

I have not watched 3rd Generation prices for awhile so I can only offer a few comments.

Compared to 1076s almost twice as many 1006s were made. The totals built were 26,978 Model 1006s and 13,805 Model 1076s. However, the 1076 is still over four time as numerous as the third most common 10XX model, the Model 1026.

The "still steaming cow flop" sight is my favorite of all the sights S&W has installed on service autos. It is well protected from dropping or snagging in holsters and holds a zero well. The fact that S&W only offered great "steaming cow flops" on 1006s makes 1006s the best of the 10XX models for me.

I find the Glock 20's light weight makes it a lot less comfortable to fire and I have no need for a high capacity 10 mm. A single stack all steel 10 mm suits be better.

 

[Fishslayer]

I would not pay one dime more for a 1076 than a G-20/29. The G-20 is BY FAR the superior pistol.

Dude... kinda early to be drinkin', isn't it?

 

[Barrie]

I wonder just how many he had myself as I do disagree with which is the better brand. I don't like getting my hands beat up when I shoot which the glocks do to me all the time so I will not buy them. Too uncomfortable a gun to shoot for me. Reminds me of a Duck on takeoff flapping its wings the way the top slides preform on the Glocks.

 

[nocents]

I would not pay one dime more for a 1076 than a G-20/29. The G-20 is BY FAR the superior pistol. The ONLY "value" the 1076 brings to the table is that which YOU place on it as an early issue 10mm. As a 10mm shooter...it's completely INFERIOR to the Glock model 20/29.

I know S&W acolytes aren't going to agree with such an assessment, but where hard earned cash is at stake, I'd NEVER buy any 10mm brand over the Glock 10mm UNLESS it was a pure emotional purchase.

My G-29 is SMALLER than my SIG P-228...lighter too! WHY would ANYONE choose a larger, thicker, heavier, LESS POWERFUL by FAR pistol? Marketing....pure and simple. Marketing.

The same "marketing" the FBI spewed when it adopted the 10mm before backtracking all the way to the 9mm. There is NOTHING "new under the sun" in terms of performance 9mm ammo than existed in 1986. Any commentary to the contrary serves to prove the depth to which such deception penetrates into society despite all reason.

wow...I had to go back and read again the op and try as I might could not find anything about comparisons of a 1076 and 1006 to a glock 10mm...I'm sure I've been accused of going off on irrelevant tangents before....but you took it to the next level........and oh yea we get it...you don't like 9mm either

 

[03hemi]

I would not pay one dime more for a 1076 than a G-20/29. The G-20 is BY FAR the superior pistol. The ONLY "value" the 1076 brings to the table is that which YOU place on it as an early issue 10mm. As a 10mm shooter...it's completely INFERIOR to the Glock model 20/29.

I know S&W acolytes aren't going to agree with such an assessment, but where hard earned cash is at stake, I'd NEVER buy any 10mm brand over the Glock 10mm UNLESS it was a pure emotional purchase.

My G-29 is SMALLER than my SIG P-228...lighter too! WHY would ANYONE choose a larger, thicker, heavier, LESS POWERFUL by FAR pistol? Marketing....pure and simple. Marketing.

The same "marketing" the FBI spewed when it adopted the 10mm before backtracking all the way to the 9mm. There is NOTHING "new under the sun" in terms of performance 9mm ammo than existed in 1986. Any commentary to the contrary serves to prove the depth to which such deception penetrates into society despite all reason.

Nothing wrong with a Glock, they're the best "throw away" Tupperware guns in production. However, the S&W 10mm is a definite collectable keeper.

 

[44wheelman]

For the op's q. ...I would start a bit lower at $650 & max out at $700.

The 1006 is a big gun, I prefer the marginally smaller 1066/1076.

My lgs sometimes played little games... with guns before they went in the case for sale... he wrote down a number, I wrote down a number, & then we flipped 'em over; if we were close we dealed, but I had to be within $25. AArrgghh....hated being high, and if I was too low, he put them out for sale (but if i whinned & cried he usually let me have it for what he offered).

As for Glocks... a fish is a great low maintenance pet, can't argue with that; but I prefer cats & dogs...just more personality.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Gosh and I thought that I was a homer, and I would take my 357 Sig over any 10 mm including Glock. I have never seen any one defend a Glock over a Smith and Wesson but I guess now I have seen everything.

The 1076 is a good solid firearm don't know why you would compare them to a Glock other than you could probably buy a couple of them for what a 1076 is going for these days.