"Cop-Killer Bullets" and the NRA

I think it's a bit amusing that Ice-T (the rapper who preformed the song 'Cop Killer') now plays a cop on one the Law & Order shows .....
 
Teflon coating on a bullet has ZERO to do with a bullet's ability to penetrate a vest....yet some still think it does....amazing....even stated in this thread. Wow, no wonder we're having this discussion
 
but everyone knows that teflon... wait why do people even think teflon helps penetration
 
cal50 said:
KTW was the company that produced the Teflon coated architectural bronze bullet in question. The media hype was the same for the Glock plastic pistol that you can walk on an airplane with (still trying to figure out exactly why because they have more steel parts than a lot of guns).

Ignorance is bliss and when it gets reported on TV a lot of people (some of them LE) believe it.
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They tried real hard to make people believe there was a real pistol made of plastic that would avoid metal detectors and too many people believed it. Besides being a lie, and even if a plastic gun did exist, I always wanted to ask these geniuses what they thought the bullets were made of.
 
Armyphotog said:
There is no reasonable nor pratical reason to have a handgun bullet that will penetrate a police officer's vest.
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Yep, this would be great...IF the bullet were intelligent enough to know that it was about to penetrate a LEO's vest and stopped penetrating, but knew to achieve maximum penetration when plowing into large, dangerous game or when penetrating a vest worn by some gang-banger during a home invasion.

IOW...yeah, there may be times when a law-abiding citizen has a legitimate need for a handgun bullet that is capable of great penetration.

Tim
 
ElToro said:
wow. just wow.
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An anti-gun state government could have LEO's wear "bullet proof vests" made out of fruitrolls and then say, "We must ban all ammo that can penetrate the vests to save police officer's lives!" And when the NRA complains about it the media says "NRA Opposes Ban On Cop Killer Bullets".
Cops are pawns because it's all about an agenda, as usual.
 
4506517 said:
Teflon coating on a bullet has ZERO to do with a bullet's ability to penetrate a vest....yet some still think it does....amazing....even stated in this thread. Wow, no wonder we're having this discussion
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It just demonstrates the power of propaganda and how many people get their information from 30 second news bites.

I'll write it down one more time real slow so some of you will get another chance at being properly informed . . . the purpose of the Teflon coating of certain ammunition was to help reduce wearing out the barrell of guns that fired it. The Teflon coating had zero impact on the bullets penetration of the target. Teflon coated bullets being identified as "cop killer" bullets is something the media made up and perpetuated.
 
redlevel said:
...But my gosh, people!! Can't you think for yourself? Why do you swallow obvious propaganda from sources you know are biased at best, and liars at worst?....

Obviously people can't think for themselves that's why we have Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Glenn Beck and talk radio. I never could understand how people listen to and believe that drivel, it's all biased as you say! There's always a knee-jerk reaction that makes no sense as with the cop killer bullets.
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Armyphotog said:
There is no reasonable nor pratical reason to have a handgun bullet that will penetrate a police officer's vest.
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There are no reasonable or practical reason for people to have many of the things we have. Motorcycles ... cars that go faster than 70 mph... jewelry... cigarettes ... big houses ... cable television ... I could go on. Here in the United States we can make choices. It is called liberty. Was it Franklin that said he who gives up essential liberty for security deserves neither?

I do not understand why concepts like second and third order effects and unintended consequences are not taught in schools. The unintended consequence of the law as it was originally written would have been to ban rifle ammunition. It makes no difference if anyone was talking about that or not. One could also argue, and I would, that banning rifle ammo was not unintended at all and that the authors of the bill wanted that. Fortunately, the NRA acted and stopped it.
 
Don't recall who said it first but it's even more true with today's communication technology..."A lie can travel around the world while the truth is still puting it's pants on"...or something to that effect.
Also, most leo's are a poor source for information about firearms and even laws regarding firearms. I've found most, not all, know how to operate and maintain their duty weapons and have very little knowledge beyond the weapons they actually use. The scary part is how little some of them know about federal gun laws...legal transport, transfers of ownership, class III, etc. With the exception of a few firearms aficionados among leos that educate themselves, many leos know little more about firearms and firearms law, than the average citizen.
 
Bullzaye said:
Yep, this would be great...IF the bullet were intelligent enough to know that it was about to penetrate a LEO's vest and stopped penetrating, but knew to achieve maximum penetration when plowing into large, dangerous game or when penetrating a vest worn by some gang-banger during a home invasion.

IOW...yeah, there may be times when a law-abiding citizen has a legitimate need for a handgun bullet that is capable of great penetration.

Tim
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Well said.
 
ohiobuckeye said:
So...a criminal should be punished less if he fires that same bullet at you or me?
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No, but you get the general idea.

I am not a huge fan of people that misuse various objects. The drunk driver with their vehicle,stupid people with firearms,baseball bats, knives,etc. Uniformed police have the advantage of being able to charge people for a crime where as civilians do not. Bottom line if someone shoots at you or me little will be done about it but if its a cop you will be charged. That's it in a nut shell.
 
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ohiobuckeye said:
. . . .Also, most leo's are a poor source for information about firearms and even laws regarding firearms. I've found most, not all, know how to operate and maintain their duty weapons and have very little knowledge beyond the weapons they actually use. The scary part is how little some of them know about federal gun laws...legal transport, transfers of ownership, class III, etc. With the exception of a few firearms aficionados among leos that educate themselves, many leos know little more about firearms and firearms law, than the average citizen.
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Just for the sake of argument about LEO's and guns, I spend much more time behind the wheel of my patrol car than I do at the range. Although I may be considered a 'gun guy', I'm certainly no 'car guy'. Don't have a clue what a HEMI does or free flow air breather, but supposedly my patrol car has both. My car is a tool that I put fuel in when it needs it, and if it makes a noise it doesn't normally make I report it to the mechanic. I certainly don't mean to indicate that I can't drive a patrol car effectively and responsibly even in high stress situations. I've done so many times. But I'm not a car guy, I just drive 'em.
 
Armyphotog said:
Believe and say what you think. It's a free country. Teflon bullets did penetrate(and still do) bullet proof vests. I don't know of anyone who was debating rifle ammunition. That's a given that most of those rounds will go through a vest, but I don't ever remember encountering a rifle wielding bad guy when I was in uniform. We have rifle wielding cops to deal with those guys if and when they show up. There is no reasonable nor pratical reason to have a handgun bullet that will penetrate a police officer's vest.
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  1. Most proposed legislation regarding this imaginary "problem" makes NO distinction between handgun and rifle ammunition. But then the idea is to ban most AMMUNITION, period.
  2. So what you're saying is that handgun hunting and metallic silhouette shooting are not "practical" or "reasonable"?
Let me posit that you don't know as much as you THINK you know about firearms OR ammunition.

I suggest you buy yourself a copy of "Cartridges of the World" instead of relying on VPC and AHSA propaganda.
 
Faulkner said:
Just for the sake of argument about LEO's and guns, I spend much more time behind the wheel of my patrol car than I do at the range. Although I may be considered a 'gun guy', I'm certainly no 'car guy'. Don't have a clue what a HEMI does or free flow air breather, but supposedly my patrol car has both. My car is a tool that I put fuel in when it needs it, and if it makes a noise it doesn't normally make I report it to the mechanic. I certainly don't mean to indicate that I can't drive a patrol car effectively and responsibly even in high stress situations. I've done so many times. But I'm not a car guy, I just drive 'em.
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The obvious difference is that a cop who knows nothing about cars is far less likely to bully somebody or violate their rights over some technical or legal issue related to automobiles than they are over a technical or legal issue related to firearms.

A guy from North Carolina was falsely arrested in Virginia for:
  1. "having hollow points"
  2. for carrying with a [recognized] out of state CCW credential
  3. for "crossing state lines with a loaded firearm".
NONE of those things is a crime in Virginia and the victim was freed by a magistrate who explicitly labeled it a false arrest.

I'm sorry. It's an LEO's job to know what he's doing before he deprives somebody of their liberty, even for five minutes.

If through ignorance or laziness, you deprive me of my liberty on the basis of Brady Bunch propaganda or an IMAGINARY "law". I'm not going to fight you on the side of the road. But I will do EVERYTHING within my power to pull you through every administrative and legal knothole available to me.

I will NEVER be allowed to use ignorance as an excuse for committing a crime and don't expect to be. Somebody who wrongfully deprives me of my liberty will be held to the same standard.
 
Bullzaye said:
Yep, this would be great...IF the bullet were intelligent enough to know that it was about to penetrate a LEO's vest and stopped penetrating, but knew to achieve maximum penetration when plowing into large, dangerous game or when penetrating a vest worn by some gang-banger during a home invasion.
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Within two years, California and New Jersey will have laws allowing only "smart bullets" which will do just as you describe. Whether the technology exists by that time will not affect the law, but, regardless, an exception will be made for state and municipal police. In NJ, of course, the task of designing "smart bullets" may be slightly more difficult, since hollowpoints will be even more severely restricted. Hawaii will debate the need for such a law, since handguns will be completely outlawed by that time, anyway.
 
cmort666 said:
The obvious difference is that a cop who knows nothing about cars is far less likely to bully somebody or violate their rights over some technical or legal issue related to automobiles than they are over a technical or legal issue related to firearms.

A guy from North Carolina was falsely arrested in Virginia for:
  1. "having hollow points"
  2. for carrying with a [recognized] out of state CCW credential
  3. for "crossing state lines with a loaded firearm".
NONE of those things is a crime in Virginia and the victim was freed by a magistrate who explicitly labeled it a false arrest.

I'm sorry. It's an LEO's job to know what he's doing before he deprives somebody of their liberty, even for five minutes.

If through ignorance or laziness, you deprive me of my liberty on the basis of Brady Bunch propaganda or an IMAGINARY "law". I'm not going to fight you on the side of the road. But I will do EVERYTHING within my power to pull you through every administrative and legal knothole available to me.

I will NEVER be allowed to use ignorance as an excuse for committing a crime and don't expect to be. Somebody who wrongfully deprives me of my liberty will be held to the same standard.
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Well, buddy, you took a curve with this one I didn't expect to go down. By all means, I agree with you LEO's should be well versed in the laws they are enforcing. There is no excuse making charges on inappropriate application of laws or downright making them up. Well said on your part.

My point in the firearms and car parallel was that not all cops enjoy the mechanics of firearms, nor should they necessarily be expected to be any more that I should be expected to be a expert auto mechanic just because I drive a patrol car.
 
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