"Cop-Killer Bullets" and the NRA

[blackflag]

So...a criminal should be punished less if he fires that same bullet at you or me?

This is already the case.

 

[cmort666]

My point in the firearms and car parallel was that not all cops enjoy the mechanics of firearms, nor should they necessarily be expected to be any more that I should be expected to be a expert auto mechanic just because I drive a patrol car.

Any LEO should be well versed enough in basic firearms skills so that he can SAFELY handle a firearm, if for whatever reason, he takes it from a citizen. I've seen FAR too many stories of LEOs so poorly trained that they couldn't safely clear an M1911 without endangering the citizen and themselves. ANY cop should be able to SAFELY clear ANY reasonably common handgun. I don't expect a cop to know how to function check a 6.5mm Bergmann. If he can't clear a Government Model, he's a danger to himself and others if he insists on touching one.

This is why a lot of people won't inform an LEO they're carrying if there's no law requiring it. I certainly know I don't want to get shot with my own gun, having committed no crime.

 

[Tunachaser]

Don't ban bullets, ban bad guys. Put em jail and keep em there. The same people that cry about guns, are crying about people being put in jail. There are to many people from this group, or that group, you can't have it both ways.

 

[4506517]

Question:

Does this mean that when I come home and the wife is pissed, if she throws the teflon coated frying pan at me, it will penetrate my vest?

What about her curling iron? Or the straightening iron? They are both teflon coated.....should I be concerned they might also compromise my vest?

Apparently I'll need to contact the local news media, followed by a call to my local legislative representative.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

Question:

Does this mean that when I come home and the wife is pissed, if she throws the teflon coated frying pan at me, it will penetrate my vest?

What about her curling iron? Or the straightening iron? They are both teflon coated.....should I be concerned they might also compromise my vest?

Apparently I'll need to contact the local news media, followed by a call to my local legislative representative.

They can have my curling iron when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

 

[FirebirdV8]

Question:

Does this mean that when I come home and the wife is pissed, if she throws the teflon coated frying pan at me, it will penetrate my vest?

What about her curling iron? Or the straightening iron? They are both teflon coated.....should I be concerned they might also compromise my vest?

Apparently I'll need to contact the local news media, followed by a call to my local legislative representative.

Hey, be careful now, you can go after my guns all you want but don't start messing with my morning eggs (I just hate it when my eggs stick to the pan, don't you?). Maybe we can just compromise and require all those who use teflon to be licensed.

Seriously though, just because something could be used to kill or could be used in a harmful way, doesn't mean it should be banned. That would mean everything from 2X4's, baseball bats, and cars would be banned. Instead hold a person accountable for their actions, not the tools they do the actions with.

 

[Jellybean]

Any LEO should be well versed enough in basic firearms skills so that he can SAFELY handle a firearm, if for whatever reason, he takes it from a citizen. I've seen FAR too many stories of LEOs so poorly trained that they couldn't safely clear an M1911 without endangering the citizen and themselves. ANY cop should be able to SAFELY clear ANY reasonably common handgun. I don't expect a cop to know how to function check a 6.5mm Bergmann. If he can't clear a Government Model, he's a danger to himself and others if he insists on touching one.

This is why a lot of people won't inform an LEO they're carrying if there's no law requiring it. I certainly know I don't want to get shot with my own gun, having committed no crime.

This may be a bit off topic, but then I don't know for sure what the topic is anymore.

Anyway, when I became the requalification officer for my small dept. I ran the guys through a drill where I took everyones duty weapon and laid it on a piece of cardboard on the ground. (We were required to supply our own sidearms and there was a wide variety at the time.) They each had one magazine in it with three rounds and one fully loaded magazine next to it. The drill was that on command the officer would pick up the firearm in front of him, fire the three rounds and then reload, fire the full magazine and then make the weapon safe. Then they would move to the next firearm and repeat the drill. Since they all carried something different I wanted to make sure they were familiar enough with each others sidearm that they could operate it enough to save their lives if the worst possible scenario happened.

The excersise was actually sort of comical, especially when they got to my model 65 with a speedloader sitting next to it. Most of those young pups had never fired a revolver and didn't know how to open the cylinder.

 

[27145]

...But my gosh, people!! Can't you think for yourself? Why do you swallow obvious propaganda from sources you know are biased at best, and liars at worst?....

Obviously people can't think for themselves that's why we have Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Glenn Beck and talk radio. I never could understand how people listen to and believe that drivel, it's all biased as you say! There's always a knee-jerk reaction that makes no sense as with the cop killer bullets.

Actually CBS, NBC and ABC all 3 of the aka mainstream media perpetrated this myth. This myth was started in the early 80's long before most of the above commentators gained a national audience.

Liberal and conservative venues are not reliable, you have to sift through the bs. The internet is good for that, but you have to sift through the bs there too.

Banning "Cop killer" bullets would not have been like the sky falling, except for the fact that liberals were using this to eliminate all ammo and guns. One less choice of ammo wouldn't have hurt anyone, but it would not have stopped there.

 

[27145]

Question:

Does this mean that when I come home and the wife is pissed, if she throws the teflon coated frying pan at me, it will penetrate my vest?

What about her curling iron? Or the straightening iron? They are both teflon coated.....should I be concerned they might also compromise my vest?

Apparently I'll need to contact the local news media, followed by a call to my local legislative representative.

I am sorry you are married to a cop killer.

 

[4506517]

27145:

I would not be upset if the state legislature or Congress banned her.

 

[Fishslayer]

I used to wonder "What's the big deal?"

Then I began to understand that we are not dealing with people who want anything "reasonable." We are dealing with people who want to disarm the law abiding citizens. Period.

The antis are not "stupid." And their laws are not "stupid." They are very efficiently taking little bites out of the Constitution. They know they can't do it all at once so they take little bites so as not to upset too many people at one time.

Once we outlaw "cop killer" bullets it's a small, "reasonable" step to outlaw lead bullets. For the children, of course. Who needs to outlaw guns if you can make ammo too expensive to buy?

In California we are limited to purchasing one new handgun every 30 days. Once you have a number it's much easier to decrease it. After all, if they can say "one" they can say "none."

I say resist any and all new restrictions.

 

[ohiobuckeye]

Just for the sake of argument about LEO's and guns, I spend much more time behind the wheel of my patrol car than I do at the range. Although I may be considered a 'gun guy', I'm certainly no 'car guy'. Don't have a clue what a HEMI does or free flow air breather, but supposedly my patrol car has both. My car is a tool that I put fuel in when it needs it, and if it makes a noise it doesn't normally make I report it to the mechanic. I certainly don't mean to indicate that I can't drive a patrol car effectively and responsibly even in high stress situations. I've done so many times. But I'm not a car guy, I just drive 'em.

My apologies if the post was taken as anti leo. The comment was never intended to be leo bashing as I think the moderators frown upon such things. Merely 50+ years of observation of and discussion with numerous leos about their knowledge of guns and gun laws, many of which are friends of mine and one a brother in law. I really don't mind that a leo may be ignorant of gun types, functions, ballistics, etc., as the primary issue to me is lack of knowledge of the myriad of gun laws on the books. As a basic example, try asking a few leos to explain the safe passage provision of the McClure-Volkmer act to you. It's one of the more important laws to protect gun owners and has probably been abused as much or more than most gun friendly laws, mostly from ignorance. Keep score and you'll probably be surprised how few even know it exists.
To the car comparison, I would add that although many leos may know very little about the mechanics of cars, they should know very much about vehicle laws when a large part of their job is to chase them up and down the road writing tickets. I wish all leos were gun guys to same degree as most of us gun nuts. Knowledge of the inanimate objects is desirable but should be secondary to knowledge of the laws regulating those objects.

 

[AZretired]

"Cop killer bullets" are nothing more than a myth that keep being perpetuated by the leftist media and the TV-Movie industry just to stir things up.