Cop was cool on my traffic stop

Feller's mouths got them more tickets that what I stopped them for, but that was close to 50 years ago.

Iggy, it still does, but that was close to 20 years ago. Ya keep talking like that and I'll keep writing. I'll also run a wants and warrants check, and hope there has been a history of no shows on serve and release citations. Cuz if there is, it's post bond and tow ride time.

Some folks just can't help but put a smile on a guys face from time to time;)
 
Best excuse I ever got was a young feller that was speedin' a little.

I asked how come he was speedin' and he said, "Well Sir, my wife is plannin' on gettin' pregnant tonight, and I kinda want to be there."

He got a warning.
 
The last time I was pulled over for speeding I was probably doing 35 in a 25. It was a street that could easily handle the speed but the sign said 25. Anyway the LEO stepped off the curb pointed at me motioning me to pull over. Unconsciously I apparently smiled, knowing he had me. When he came up he asked, "you a cop" I said "no why" he said " I saw you smiling" I said "you had me, what else could I do". He let me go without even asking for my credentials and I have a pocket full of family member PBA cards. It's funny, I don't get stopped often but when I do it's always pretty pleasant experience. The worst I have ever had was after presenting a PBA card I was told it didn't give me a right to speed but he still let me go. He was right.
 
I was stopped once while carrying. Had a Model 66 2 1/2 inch in a shoulder holster. Told the officer I was carrying. He took it out for me. We got to talking, I advised I was a LEO, and the gun was for sale. He bought it on the spot. No citation issued.

Here, we have to go through an FFL for all pistol sales. Rifle sales can be done in a personal manner but not pistols. The politicians feel the need to keep pistols sales on record, for whatever reason.
 
on the OP, P&R could have been issued a C&I which is the next thing down from a DWI points wise. His good attitude & cheerful demeanor helped him a great deal. As others have said above, being argumentative & snide earn you nothing but headaches........... most have us can show we paid attention in Advanced Ticket Writing 101 Class when we stop a loud mouthed jerk on the highway.
 
^^^That is not always true. Some cops clearly enjoy being a holes, regardless of the "citizen's" attitude, and no matter the courtesy given. I speak from experience.

Edited to add: referencing 66 shooter's post.

I have found from growing up in Bostom that if you encounter an arrogant cop act like you are impressed with him and his authority.just bite your tongue and feed his ego.You would be surprised how many times this has worked for us growing up in our rowdy days.
 
Attitude

Quite a few years ago a friend and I decided to go the Knoxville Nationals at the last minute on Saturday (knowing we would have to buy tickets from scalpers in parking lot. We pulled to a stop at a T intersection just North of Knoxville, across the intersection we saw a State Trooper with a pickup pulling a boat and trailer stopped on the shoulder. The Trooper and driver were standing at back of the trailer, my friend and I recognized the driver as a co-worker of mine and acquaintance of his. I laughed and said "Right now Carl is telling that Trooper that he doesn't know who he is ****ing with." We turned south and immediately met another Trooper heading North at high speed lights and siren.

The next week at work I asked Carl how his weekend was, he mumbled "OK" to which I replied "how was the Marion County Jail". When he came clean he admitted I had predicted his conversation with the Trooper exactly.:rolleyes:
 
Here, we have to go through an FFL for all pistol sales. Rifle sales can be done in a personal manner but not pistols. The politicians feel the need to keep pistols sales on record, for whatever reason.

We do as well. I should have finished my story. He was an FFL and he owned a shop in his home. Back then you could have a store in your home. I went with a fellow officer and he and I both bought handguns on the kitchen table of a LT Col Mass State Police officers home. He later became a large distributor of police supplies.
 
You really didn't get "good" treatment....You got a ticket that he could have just as easily let you go on.....But...I guess it feels better to think you got a big break and it feels better to the cop for only writing you for 5 over.....

On another topic....I sometimes let the loud-mouthed, intimidating jerks go on a traffic stop, and act afraid of them. This conditions them to think this sort of behavior will pay off for them. Then I imagine what the NEXT cop is going to do to them!

One guy said I stopped him because he was black. I said: "Oh my God, I'm sorry Mr. Black, I didn't recognize you! Please be on your way and forgive me for wasting your time!" The looks on their face are sometimes worth having to stop another car for a ticket....It's important for cops to know that peoples' crappy reactions are not personal. Thinking otherwise causes useless stress. Just remember you have a front row ticket to the greatest show on earth and it was FREE! Cops love free stuff.

I generally don't issue tickets because of a bad attitude or contempt of cop. You never know the battles someone else is fighting. I HAVE had a little fun with them in other ways.....

Got a question about this. I keep my wallet in my right rear pocket and my Shield on my right hip (usually 4:00). Even if I'm not asked to leave the vehicle, should I inform a LEO before reaching for my wallet?

Well yeah...."Shall inform" laws are not meant for "officer safety". They're going to assume you are or may be armed on a traffic stop whether you are or aren't. The shall-issue laws are for the stopee's safety so he doesn't get shot when he reaches for his registration or wallet and there happens to be a gun in the area where he's reaching. The cop isn't required to let the bad guys get the first shot off. In fact, it's ill-advised.
 
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Well yeah...."Shall inform" laws are not meant for "officer safety". They're going to assume you are or may be armed on a traffic stop whether you are or aren't. The shall-issue laws are for the stopee's safety so he doesn't get shot when he reaches for his registration or wallet and there happens to be a gun in the area where he's reaching. The cop isn't required to let the bad guys get the first shot off. In fact, it's ill-advised.

While I would inform, for my safety as you said, some states, including mine, do not have a shall inform law. As a matter of fact, in Georgia an LEO, upon seeing that a person is carrying, cannot even ask if that person HAS a permit, much less ask to see it, unless he has RAS (Reasonable, Articuable Suspicion) that the person is breaking an unrelated law.
 
Whenever I stopped someone for any traffic violation (civil infraction), when the driver told me that he/she was carrying........the conversation always shifted toward guns and I always let the person go with a warning. Though I always asked where the pistol was, I never asked to see it.

But that's just me. :)
 
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Got a question about this. I keep my wallet in my right rear pocket and my Shield on my right hip (usually 4:00). Even if I'm not asked to leave the vehicle, should I inform a LEO before reaching for my wallet?

My thought, what's the first thing a LEO is going to ask at any traffic stop? License and Registration, please. As soon as you get pulled, even before the LEO walks up to your car, have them out and both hands clearly visible by the time they get to your car. If you want to inform about your cc pull the permit and hand it to the LEO with your license and registration. Very simple and effective, if the LEO wishes to go further with questioning they will do so at that time.
 
Back when I was a law enforcement officer, I appreciated when people made my job easier.

That included little things, like keeping their hands in sight, having the license, registration and insurance card already out, and being respectful.

When a person with a concealed carry permit advised me they had a permit and were carrying, and asked me how I want them to handle it, I usually just told them that if they left their firearm in their holster, I'd leave my firearm in mine. It got the message across and was a tension breaker that usually got a laugh.

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I've seen other officers who are overly focused on controlling the situation. Those officers (in jurisdictions that allow it) will ask the person to surrender the firearm for the duration of the stop.

I think that's incredibly stupid as you have a person you've pulled over who is always nervous, and sometimes agitated, and you're now asking them to handle a loaded handgun and hand it to you. The risk of an AD, being swept by the muzzle, etc, are very high, plus, I'd rather not have the person I've just stopped have gun in hand and have a good second or so advantage on me if he or she decides a gunfight is a good option.

Some officers disagree…

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About a year ago I was stopped by an NC Highway Patrolman the first time I've been stopped in probably 25 years.

I pulled over, shut off the vehicle, and while he ran the plates I took out my license, registration, insurance card and concealed carry permit, then put my hands on the steering wheel where he could see them.

He approached, using the door post appropriately for cover, I advised him of my permit and carry status, and he took the permit and asked me to leave the weapon holstered, and also since I was armed to keep my hands in sight if I could.

He came back to my car a couple minutes later, we had a discussion about our differing interpretations of where the 45mph zone started, and he noted I had an excellent driving record and just gave me a warning.

I was respectful and worked to keep his stress level low, he was professional and equally respectful, giving a very positive image to the NCHP and I got a pass on what he regarded as slowing down too late in a 45 mph zone.

A win for all involved.

In most cases, I suspect that a concealed carry permit at a minimum tells the officer you've been vetted as a non scumbag in the recent past. That vetting process in combination with being respectful, and acknowledging through your actions and conduct that LEOs have a very difficult job that should not be made worse by people with an attitude, will go a long way toward getting you a healthy dose of officer discretion to either write a warning, or to reduce the offense you're cited for.

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I'll add here that I keep my registration and insurance card clipped to the visor in my car. It's a little thing, but when the officer observes me moving around in the vehicle it's obvious what is going on. My wallet is usually tucked in a recess for the FWD lever boot already, so there are no large body shifting movements and no digging in consoles or glove boxes. Those kinds of movements cause the officer to have to wonder what you're digging for, and it's not safe for the officer to assume it's just the VDL, registration and insurance card, so you're inviting a much higher level of scrutiny that can be avoided if you keep your documents somewhere where they are readily accessible with your hands in sight of the officer.

In the event you have your wallet in ship pocket, either gt it out very slowly and obviously before he arrives and finish by laying in on the dash where he can see what you just got, or wait until he's at the window and advise him where it is at and how you'd like to proceed in retrieving it. Then do exactly that very slowly.

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There was a trooper in SC about 6 months ago who stopped a driver pulling into a gas station. By the time he made the stop the driver was already out of the vehicle. The suspect was obviously nervous and eager to please, but the stop was conducted very badly.

The officer asked him if he had a license, and he responded that he did and it was in the car. The officer then asked him to get it, and he did - he dove head first into the car and then came back out almost as fast, at which point the officer fired three times, hitting him once - all for doing exactly what the officer told him to do.

The officer asked very badly. He should have asked a probing question about where the license was located in the vehicle, then once he understood where it was at, he should have instructed the driver on how exactly to go about retrieving it - slowly, keeping one hand in sight, etc - what ever it woful have taken to keep the officer happy.

In a perfect world the teen aged driver would have known enough to move slowly, but any thoughts he had regarding that were overshadowed by an eagerness to comply in a hurry, with the result that he got shot. That however is something the officer should have anticipated, and took into account with better procedures and better communication of the expectations and methods of complying during the stop.

The moral here is that not all officers have the same level of skill, insight or soft skills, and some are just very poorly trained and/or lack the proper temperament for the job. if you get a bad one, you still want to be sure that you don't do anything to escalate the situation. Comply, but telegraph and communicate your actions clearly and always err on the side of appearing to be as non threatening as possible.
 
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I have been stopped and ticketed so many times in my life that I lost count before I was 30. So I consider myself something of an expert in the area, from the non-LEO perspective.

I actually think that anytime an LEO gives a driver a lesser ticket - whether by lowering the speeding mph, or a missing insurance card instead of a stop sign violation, items like that, I consider that good treatment. Being given a warning or NOTHING is G R E AT treatment.

As a CHL and firearms instructor I practice what I teach - I am never abusive to the officer who pulls me over. First of all, I consider myself a great driver; therefore, I ALWAYS know what I'm doing. So it seems the height of foolishness to argue with a cop about what he saw when he either knows or presumes that I'm full of it. I treat them with respect and I have NEVER been disrespected by an LEO at a traffic stop.

I pull over, if it's dark out I turn my overhead lights on, I roll my window down, and I keep my hands where he or she can see them. I let them speak first and I keep it pleasant and since guns are often involved I am VERY nice about that - and they DO KNOW - because it comes up on their in-car computers. Everyone's CHL/CCW is hooked into their driver's license.

I won't burden you with how many times police officers did not give me a ticket because they were gun guys but it happens. I've been so pleasant to LEOs that I was sent off with warnings just because I was nice.

So, yes, you did get a good result - because being nice pays off - and you DO tell LEOs you have a gun on your when you step out of your vehicle.
 
When I was on the job someone showing respect went a long way. I showed everyone respect until they did otherwise, but I never issued a citation b/c of someone's attitude. I usually let most folks go w/a warning. People understand what they did wrong and most of my tickets were issued as a result of investigating a traffic crash, something that was required in my jurisdiction.

Not long ago I was pulled over by a state trooper in an unmarked car. He apparently ran me on the computer and never asked me for my license or creds. I was driving my grandson home and was driving a little under the speed limit (not unusual for me) and he wanted to make sure I was alright. Nice guy and I thanked him for checking on me. It was also a good lesson for my 15 y/o grandson on how to conduct yourself when stopped by the police. We talked about it for the rest of the trip home.
 
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