Corrected movie quote: "that's a S&W and you've had your EIGHT" (or nine)

[model3sw]

Corrected movie quote: "that's a S&W and you've had your EIGHT" (or nine)

Something that annoyed me for many year was the original James Bond flick, Dr.No. In the scene where one of the bad guys comes to assassinate Bond who is laying in wait, the assassin fires 6 shots into a pillow stuffed blanket on the bed, thinking it to be Bond.

Before Bond retaliates, there is vocal repartee between them, to wit, ends with:

"That's a Smith & Wesson, and you've had your six"

.... but it is NOT a S&W.

Years before video tape, DVD, youtube and the like, I caught that.

Process of elimination as follows:

It is a semi-automatic pistol
It is NOT a .35 Caliber Model of 1913 nor the revised .32 S&W Auto simply because of the diminutive physical size of the two so what else could it be but a Model 39, you'd think?

Time frame is correct 1961, well OK.
Size is about right .... OK, again. ... but ...
It would have been 8 not 6, and it would be 9 if he had one in the pipe as many Model 39 owners have done when carrying.

So the entire phrase is completely untrue and a ficticous fabrication of Hollywood / creative license to be inaccurate where any type of movie is made. For example, have you ever noticed the bore on the end of the barrel in so many other movies are extremely over-sized (larger than the gun being shown) to dramatize the size of the caliber of the projectile of the impending death coming ?

What right have we to expect accuracy in these drama flicks ? I admired many old sleuth flicks of the film noir and Deco days of Hollywood.
As far back as the 1930's Warren William played the first Perry Mason in which someone was killed with a .32 automatic. Justly they showed a Colt .32 ACP gun in the ladies handbag or some such that he now had to prove did NOT kill the dead guy.

A few years back I found the internet movie firearms database:

Dr. No - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

The gun in that sequence was a 1911, not a S&W at all and again, just WRONG !!

Beside that ... Bond's PPK with the silencer attached is really a FN !!! Hollywood. Blah !

 

[jeffrefrig]

But...it's on TV, so it MUST be true!!! Good eye!

 

[Alpo]

I'll have to try to dig out my book to check, but if I recall correctly, the statement was taken directly from the book, and in the book the killer had a revolver.

Thus "Smith and Wesson" and "six".

 

[Alpo]

I do recall that when Honey came up on the beach, unlike Ursula Undress she weren't wearing a white bikini. She was nekkid. She saw James and moved to protect her modesty, but not the classic September Morn moves. One hand covered her groin, but the other did not shield her breasts. She covered her face.

She had a broken nose and was embarrassed to be seen.

 

[max]

Here you go. At about 1:35 in you can clearly see it is an FN that Bond has. The other gun looks like a 1911, but the professor seems to drop the hammer via a double action. Hey, it ain't real and I don't remember the exact reading of the book.

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[codenamedave]

Perfectly Plausible Explanation: It was a .38 Special conversion on a 1911, which has a 5+1 capacity. Bond was identifying the gun by it's cartridge, referring to the .38 Smith & Wesson Special, like saying it's a 9mm, or it's a Magnum. Such guns were much more popular in that time period than today, and given the Bond universe's tendency towards unusual weaponry, it's appearance wouldn't be much of a stretch. The low-velocity .38 wadcutter round would be better for suppressed use than the more common 1911 chamberings as well.

Also, I'm convinced he said "It's a Smith & Wesson..." rather than "That's a Smith & Wesson..."

And the assassin isn't working a DA trigger, he's just letting his finger go all the way off the trigger between shots.

 

[max]

My DA comment was about when the professor picked up the empty gun off the floor and appeared to pull the trigger on an empty gun.

 

[model3sw]

That's a .... it's a ... either way!

Seems the 6 regarding S&W might be more accurately accepted (by an average audience) when speaking of a revolver. You know, the old "six-shooter".

Like: "aah, aah. I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six or only five .... " (etc, etc.) Tell me who didn't think that line was "on target" ?

 

[Texas Star]

Something that annoyed me for many year was the original James Bond flick, Dr.No. In the scene where one of the bad guys comes to assassinate Bond who is laying in wait, the assassin fires 6 shots into a pillow stuffed blanket on the bed, thinking it to be Bond.

Before Bond retaliates, there is vocal repartee between them, to wit, ends with:

"That's a Smith & Wesson, and you've had your six"

.... but it is NOT a S&W.

Years before video tape, DVD, youtube and the like, I caught that.

Process of elimination as follows:

It is a semi-automatic pistol
It is NOT a .35 Caliber Model of 1913 nor the revised .32 S&W Auto simply because of the diminutive physical size of the two so what else could it be but a Model 39, you'd think?

Time frame is correct 1961, well OK.
Size is about right .... OK, again. ... but ...
It would have been 8 not 6, and it would be 9 if he had one in the pipe as many Model 39 owners have done when carrying.

So the entire phrase is completely untrue and a ficticous fabrication of Hollywood / creative license to be inaccurate where any type of movie is made. For example, have you ever noticed the bore on the end of the barrel in so many other movies are extremely over-sized (larger than the gun being shown) to dramatize the size of the caliber of the projectile of the impending death coming ?

What right have we to expect accuracy in these drama flicks ? I admired many old sleuth flicks of the film noir and Deco days of Hollywood.
As far back as the 1930's Warren William played the first Perry Mason in which someone was killed with a .32 automatic. Justly they showed a Colt .32 ACP gun in the ladies handbag or some such that he now had to prove did NOT kill the dead guy.

A few years back I found the internet movie firearms database:

Dr. No - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

The gun in that sequence was a 1911, not a S&W at all and again, just WRONG !!

Beside that ... Bond's PPK with the silencer attached is really a FN !!! Hollywood. Blah !

I was a fan of Bond in the books and was very excited to see the first movie, which was based on one of my favorite Bond books. There was a sense of disappointment when I saw it, but it and the films through, Thunderball were pretty good. Then, they went downhill, with too much gimmickry, attempts at humor, miscast actors, and PC attitude.


Actually, the film, "Never Say Never Again" was a remake of, "Thunderball", by a different set of producers than Broccoli and Saltzman, who ruined the main Bond movie franchise. It also starred Sir Sean Connery, the original Bond, and was just more authentic to the book.


As for the part about the chemist's gun in that, "Dr. No" scene, I didn't need a "process of elimination" to see that was a Colt .45 auto, not any S&W. As a teen, I was already reading Jeff Cooper's material and had handled Colt .45 autos. A few years later, I owned my first.


Ironically, I think the villains in the book did use a suppressed .45 auto to kill Commander Strangways, whose murder sent Bond to Jamaica in pursuit of the killers. (Jamaica was then still a Crown Colony.)


Yes, I did catch the FN/Browning M-1910 as the silenced Walther and in other scenes, a Model PP stood in for the smaller PPK.

 

[Texas Star]

If you are a knowledgeable viewer, you'll see many gun bloopers in films. Sometimes, the producers just don't know the difference, or care. I think it's gotten better over the past 40 years.


Sometimes, the real thing just isn't available where they film.
In one of my favorite T V series, "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World", one saw MK IV Webley .38's subbing for .455 MK VI's. I think the Aussie prop house may have been short of .455's, or they may have just cost more to rent. Lord Roxton did use nickeled .455's with white grips when not armed with a Colt .45 auto. Marguerite's hammerless .32 or .38 went from an Iver Johnson to a S&W and to a Webley WP, if I have the model right. As a wealthy heiress, I seriously doubt that Marg. would have used an Iver Johnson. The others, probably. The hammerless design would let her fire through a pocket or a hand muff, then still used. The series was set from 1919-1922. Margerite was a former double agent in WWI and a skilled jewel thief who knew guns pretty well. She worked a Luger with familiarity in one episode. In the opening two-part movie, she killed a man in London. But her later killing a dinosaur with her small revolver strained the imagination. Hey, it was TV!


Incorrect props are not limited to guns. In the 1969 film, "Battle of Britain", a superb movie, some Spitfires were not the MK I's that would be in use in 1940. If you look under the wings, some had the double radiators of later MK IX and later Marks. But even then, it was a huge task to get operating Spitfires and Hurricanes, and the Messerschmidt 109's and Heinkel bombers had Merlin engines in lieu of the original ones. Those planes had been obtained or borrowed from the Spanish Air Force, who used Rolls-Royce engines, as the German engines had become unavailable after the fall of Nazi Germany.


It's also rare to see real German WWII tanks. They're usually later American tanks painted to look like Panthers or Tigers. Watch for that in films like, "Patton", otherwise a fine movie.

 

[Texas Star]

I do recall that when Honey came up on the beach, unlike Ursula Undress she weren't wearing a white bikini. She was nekkid. She saw James and moved to protect her modesty, but not the classic September Morn moves. One hand covered her groin, but the other did not shield her breasts. She covered her face.

She had a broken nose and was embarrassed to be seen.

Good post. But she wasn't nekkid in the book: she wore a knife! Fleming had Bond think of the painting, "The Birth of Venus". I looked it up, as I was then a teen not much into art. The artist was Botticelli, if you want to see it.


BTW, Ursula Andress was Swiss, which accounts for her faint accent when speaking English.


She wasn't the only Bond girl with a flaw. Domino Vitale had a leg slightly shorter than the other. See, "Thunderball." I liked the way that Fleming developed her character by having her tell Bond about her fantasy re the sailor on the box of Player's cigarettes.

 

[rwsmith]

I'll bet that Fleming.....

I'll bet that Fleming had it right in his book and the film producers sort of faked it. At least that's the way it usually works.

 

[Alpo]

Good post. But she wasn't nekkid in the book: she wore a knife! Fleming had Bond think of the painting, "The Birth of Venus". I looked it up, as I was then a teen not much into art. The artist was Botticelli, if you want to see it.


BTW, Ursula Andress was Swiss, which accounts for her faint accent when speaking English.


She wasn't the only Bond girl with a flaw. Domino Vitale had a leg slightly shorter than the other. See, "Thunderball." I liked the way that Fleming developed her character by having her tell Bond about her fantasy re the sailor on the box of Player's cigarettes.

Ah yes, Venus on the Half Shell.


I thought about mentioning the knife when I said she was nekkid.

 

[dcf69]

It's a 1911 and it appears that the slide is locked back after the last shot...like he didn't have a full magazine when he started shooting.

 

[Texas Star]

It's a 1911 and it appears that the slide is locked back after the last shot...like he didn't have a full magazine when he started shooting.

You are, of course, correct. And I think it was the same gun used to shoot Commander Strangways in the first scenes of the film.

It was probably furnished by Dr. No to whichever of his assassins needed it in a given day.

In the book, Bond noted that on the island, the thugs wore Smith & Wesson .38's, "the usual model." Clearly, the M&P/Model 10...

Also in , Dr. No, the villain's patrol boat had a MG-42 in the book and in the movie, it was a Bren. I think they needed to get the gun used by the Jamaican Defense Force, no MG-42's allowed there.

Fleming erred a time or two in referring to US .30 carbines being made by Remington. They were developed by Winchester, although other firms also made them during WW II. However, I don't think Remington was among the contractors.

 

[keith44spl]

Well yeah, it's hollywood

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