Crimson Trace Laser Grips

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I would like to hear opinions from some of you experienced shooters regarding Crimson Trace laser grips on self defense guns. What are the pros and cons. My eyesight is not what it used to be and I am considering giving them a try.
 
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I run the mobile range for our dept and I see lots of lasers...on an LEO gun, I think they are pretty useful since they tend to hold suspects at gunpoint and can see where they are pointing without narrowing their attetion on their sights...but for CCW, if you ever pull to shoot, I doubt you will be looking for that dot...I imagine you will just point and shoot...that said, for range use, they can be fun...but relying on them in the real world may not be all that realistic...
 
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An advantage is if you are fixated on your target instead of the sights, your dot will be on the target (if you're aiming properly) and it's bright enough that you don't have to be staring at the dot to see the dot.
I need glasses to focus on anything more than a foot in front of me. Practicing at the range without my glasses my ability to accurately hit goes up when I use the lasergrips because I can still see the dot.
 
I put them on my wife's M&P9c and she loves them, as does everyone else that shoots her pistol. She had only shot once before I installed them. Either way, she shot very well and continually eats the center out of the target.

I think they would be great in a self defense situation because in awkward positions, you can see the dot. However, I find that when I shoot her pistol, I rarely get into good position and never get a good sight picture. Because of the offset of the laser, the laser and the sights do not line up properly at all distances. I always seem to be looking over the sights to see the laser. Personally, I would rather develop good shooting habits and sight picture at the range, and no rely on the laser. I don't have them on my carry gun and usually turn it off when I shoot my wife's. That being said, I am considering them for my Kel-tec because the sights on it are crap.
 
I run the mobile range for our dept and I see lots of lasers...on an LEO gun, I think they are pretty useful since they tend to hold suspects at gunpoint and can see where they are pointing without narrowing their attetion on their sights...but for CCW, if you ever pull to shoot, I doubt you will be looking for that dot...I imagine you will just point and shoot...that said, for range use, they can be fun...but relying on them in the real world may not be all that realistic...

I think Sip is correct.

About four years ago I bought a set for a 1911. I asked here and there about them and could get no definative answers. So I went to the range and found out for myself.

Over the course of two weeks I shot 1000 rounds though a Kimber. All with the laser on. I quickly found that the laser was almost useless drawing from the holster and shooting.

We are all taught to look for the front site. Because the laser is sighted in line with the bore, it comes up to bear after or slower than the front sight. The laser is usually a distraction after firing the first shot.

Now, if and only if you have time to draw slowly and wait for the laser, they are a great tool and can be very precise.

They are an advantage in any situation other than the above said.

The other problem with lasers is people. Some think they automatically have an advantage without practicing. They think they don't need to practice with and without the laser. The laser is a supplemental tool. This is evident after watching many at the local indoor range. One bad habit is to watch the path of the laser after the first shot. They look for the little red dot and try to bring the gun back down on target. Taking your eye off the target is bad news and trying to track that little red dot out in broad daylight will be impossible.

Lasers are great and I think Crimson Trace is the best. Thier customer service is second to none.

But be aware of thier limitations and usefullness.
 
I have a set on my BUG, a S&W 360J. I like them because no matter how compromised I am, as long as I can see and squeeze the trigger I can put rounds on target.
 
Yes, obviously you will need to train to gain the full advantage of the laser b/c like the others said it's different than what you're used to. Like not needing to bring the gun up to your eyes to fire quickly...
But the differences between laser and sighted fire should not be a reason NOT to get a laser...
 
I am considering them for my Kel-tec because the sights on it are crap.

That's exactly why I put one on my P3AT. Im low light there is no way you'll get a good sight picture (if you can in broad daylight with these guns). As stated, you will more likely just point in a tense situation rather than aim, but the dot will be where you want it. I have mine set at 7 yards.

It's a great buy, I highly suggest it. (Not to mention it's much more fun for the range and dry fire practice:o)
 
The new S&W Bodyguard 38, which looks to me to be a 642 with a couple improvements,comes standard with a laser. It's supposed to be available late June or July. It's getting blasted right now in the Lounge but frankly I am very interested is seeing one as my primary carry is a front pocket 642. If the price is correct it's a heck of a buy.

I didn't even know this gun existed, or at least will, until I saw the thread in the Lounge.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57677_757677_757677_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

I also appreciate the input in this thread as I've never used a laser but am very interested in the idea.

Bob
 
My eye sight is not what it was either.

They have their uses. Especially if your eye sight isn’t quite what it needs to be for best shooting.

I have Crimson Trace on my Colt Government Model.

I spent the first half of my firearms training life in the old PPC and in Bulls Eye shooting, and then moved onto the “Modern Technique” and “Practical Pistol Craft” (or what ever you prefer to call it). Traditional sight alignment is my preference, so the thought of not focusing on my front sight basically sounds wrong to me.

Then my eye sight began to weaken and I could no longer get the clear, sharp focus on the front sight I was used to anymore (without reading glasses), but my distance vision was still fine. Later I had cataract surgery on both eyes and now have basically a single focal point under all conditions (because of the synthetic implant lenses that replaced my natural eye lenses).

Progressive focus glasses are what I now wear pretty much all the time, which in normal day-to-day use are great, but I found that for shooting I have to hold my head in an awkward position to find the correct focal spot on the glass lens to clearly see the front sight (at the same time distorting everything down range) – not easy for me to quickly and easily do, especially in defensive shooting situations.

I decided to give laser sighting on a handgun a try. This is what I’ve discovered thus far:

1. For defensive shooting (generally close in, short time frame, often reactionary, with likely multiple shots fired), out to 20 or so yards, I prefer the laser sight. My shots are much more accurate, quicker, and follow-up shots are easier with the laser sight vice trying to get that focal spot on my glasses just right.

2. For precision shooting (generally further out, longer time frame, planned, fewer shots fired), I prefer my glasses and don’t need/use the laser.

Here’s the key element. I’ve been trained to look for/at the front sight and I still do, but – the “dot” of the laser is set so that it appears to sit atop my iron sights when lined up on a 20 yard target (the “cross-over” point I’ve chosen for the laser and irons). I see the dot as I line up my iron sights (though the irons are fuzzy). I haven’t changed how I manipulate/align the firearm – I just have a new sight picture, the dot now being my point of impact reference instead of the top of my front sight. Between 0 and 25 yards the difference between iron sight alignment and dot are minimal – for practical defensive shooting purposes it is more than good enough.

3. In training/practice, the dot allows me to see how I’m managing handgun firing manipulation. I can see, on target, how I’m bumping, twisting, shaking, etc… the alignment as I press the trigger – immediate feedback of what problem I may have with trigger or sight management.

4. In awkward, unnatural, or unusual firing positions where I can’t get or want proper sight alignment, I still have (out to 25 yards) a point of impact reference. I still can get an “aimed shot” off, even though I’m not looking at the sights.

In Pursuit,
 
I bought my first one 6-7 years ago just to see what it was about. Mounted it on a 60 set so the dot rests on top of the front sight. It is fast, accurate, lasts forever, and has never lost point of aim. I shoot weekly, and also dry fire at home. To practice moving as you shoot it is the best thing going, same with snap shooting, and with teaching new shooters.

I also bought a set for my nightstand gun, a 64, and though it does drive the dogs crazy, would feel LOST without. Sure they cost a few bucks but I am on disability and I found a way to acquire them.

BEFORE I bought them I was like every other genius with no experience "heck you don't need them." Now that I actually have tried them? I lOVE them!
 
I appreciate the information from all of you. My problem is age, and I can't see open sights very well any more. If I raise my head to get the sights in my bi-focals then the target is fuzzy. I was thinking the laser sight may help help.

It is very frustrating for me because I have been a shooter since childhood.
 
They have their uses. Especially if your eye sight isn’t quite what it needs to be for best shooting.

I have Crimson Trace on my Colt Government Model.

I spent the first half of my firearms training life in the old PPC and in Bulls Eye shooting, and then moved onto the “Modern Technique” and “Practical Pistol Craft” (or what ever you prefer to call it). Traditional sight alignment is my preference, so the thought of not focusing on my front sight basically sounds wrong to me.

Then my eye sight began to weaken and I could no longer get the clear, sharp focus on the front sight I was used to anymore (without reading glasses), but my distance vision was still fine. Later I had cataract surgery on both eyes and now have basically a single focal point under all conditions (because of the synthetic implant lenses that replaced my natural eye lenses).

Progressive focus glasses are what I now wear pretty much all the time, which in normal day-to-day use are great, but I found that for shooting I have to hold my head in an awkward position to find the correct focal spot on the glass lens to clearly see the front sight (at the same time distorting everything down range) – not easy for me to quickly and easily do, especially in defensive shooting situations.

I decided to give laser sighting on a handgun a try. This is what I’ve discovered thus far:

1. For defensive shooting (generally close in, short time frame, often reactionary, with likely multiple shots fired), out to 20 or so yards, I prefer the laser sight. My shots are much more accurate, quicker, and follow-up shots are easier with the laser sight vice trying to get that focal spot on my glasses just right.

2. For precision shooting (generally further out, longer time frame, planned, fewer shots fired), I prefer my glasses and don’t need/use the laser.

Here’s the key element. I’ve been trained to look for/at the front sight and I still do, but – the “dot” of the laser is set so that it appears to sit atop my iron sights when lined up on a 20 yard target (the “cross-over” point I’ve chosen for the laser and irons). I see the dot as I line up my iron sights (though the irons are fuzzy). I haven’t changed how I manipulate/align the firearm – I just have a new sight picture, the dot now being my point of impact reference instead of the top of my front sight. Between 0 and 25 yards the difference between iron sight alignment and dot are minimal – for practical defensive shooting purposes it is more than good enough.

3. In training/practice, the dot allows me to see how I’m managing handgun firing manipulation. I can see, on target, how I’m bumping, twisting, shaking, etc… the alignment as I press the trigger – immediate feedback of what problem I may have with trigger or sight management.

4. In awkward, unnatural, or unusual firing positions where I can’t get or want proper sight alignment, I still have (out to 25 yards) a point of impact reference. I still can get an “aimed shot” off, even though I’m not looking at the sights.

In Pursuit,


Thanks...after reading your post I ordered a set.
 
Never owned a set but I have been tempted to buy some off ebay. Great prices there on them and a lot of them being offered.
 
For a small pistol or revolver, they are wonderful

I put the Crimson Trace grips on a 442 and on a model 60. As you may know, the standard sights on these revolvers are fairly useless. The light helps in my opinion.

You need to sight in the light at the range. The version that we have comes with a very tiny allen wrench with adjustments for windage and elevation. They are set from the factory for a distance that is unsuitable for the "j" frame. Reset these adjustment screws slowly as each turn makes a big difference.

Crimson Trace is running a promotion now that will give you free batteries (one set per year) on request for life. I ordered through OpticsPlanet.com and got a great price. I have no commercial affiliation with either firm.
 
I put the Crimson Trace grips on a 442 and on a model 60. As you may know, the standard sights on these revolvers are fairly useless. The light helps in my opinion.

You need to sight in the light at the range. The version that we have comes with a very tiny allen wrench with adjustments for windage and elevation. They are set from the factory for a distance that is unsuitable for the "j" frame. Reset these adjustment screws slowly as each turn makes a big difference.

Crimson Trace is running a promotion now that will give you free batteries (one set per year) on request for life. I ordered through OpticsPlanet.com and got a great price. I have no commercial affiliation with either firm.

Which model crimson trace do you recommend for the 442? Have you noticed any difference in the ability to pocket carry with the crimson trace?
 
LG-405 (I shoot a 642)--no problem drawing from pocket, and higher backstrap helps with recoil. The 405 is the smaller C/T grip, and it doesn't protrude/print any more than the standard non C/T grip
 
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My SP101 (2 1/4") is equiped with a set. & after 5 years I still think that they are a a GOOD assesory, for PP weapon, & for "training".

A ?? FOR "KANEWPADDLE" - Which grips are you using" ?? The "switch" on mine is located so that the moment I "grip" the gun, the sight is activated. FAR FASTER, than I can even start to "bring it on target"

Here are some of my thoughts.

PP =

1. Bad light or none. Assists GREATLY in "aquiring "target"
2. Assists in "adgusting "point of aim in "stress"situations, esp. "awkward positions" & movement. This is very impotant in my case, because my SP101 has only "fixed sights"

Training ( I train & train others in PP & use ONLY "point & shoot"/Instinctive shooting ) in CQ situations.)
NOTE - if used "off the "range" for the below, BE SURE THE GUN IS UNLOADED !!

1. Assists in "adjudging" "proper" trigger "disapline" & other "control". items.
2. Used reg. for "impromptue" daily training & home. (from my desk, favorite arm chair, bed, moving around my domacile etc)

Iffy ??

1. A warning to BGs, IMHO is iffy, in that he/she is not looking down @ their chest or groin, unless you graw their attention to the fact.
2. Brite light & some clothing colors effects the "seeing the laser'

Negatives

1. Except for assesing "gun control problems" not usful for Sighted Target work
2. Temptation to use as ones "primary"sight, as opposed to an AID.

The Proffesor
 
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