CZ 75b vs. Sig P210

[American1776]

I've always had a 'thing' for the SIG P210 (the original Swiss made ones, not the new Sig-Sauer German 'Legend'). Never owned one, but have handled them, and they are just plain awesome. I know the accuracy is set for less than 2 inch groups at 50 yards, and the trigger is amazing.

That said, I've also been considering a CZ 75B. I know the reverse slide rails is the same as the SIG P210. The CZ also has a reputation for great accuracy and reliability. BUT: I can get 19 round magazines for this gun, it comes with a thumb mag release instead of the heel release on the SIG, and the price is roughly SIX TIMES LESS than SIG P210.

Shouldn't I just get the CZ? I know the SIG P210 will come with ULTIMATE bragging rights---but is that the only REAL benefit it has over the CZ?

 

[Derosa]

Bragging rights count only at a restroom break. Buy the CZ. Spend the extra money on ammo and range and active shooter time. Your life will thank you.

 

[rck281]

Look at the EAA CZ type pistols. They are very high quality with excellent sights and triggers.

 

[sigp220.45]

If you can afford the Sig, why not get it? It will only go up in value, and it's not like it would be hard to sell.

 

[shawn mccarver]

I have extensive experience with both guns. My vote goes to the SIG 210. If you can find a 210-2, that is my favorite. A friend has put a documented 250,000 rounds through his 210-2 in the last 40 or so years. He has had not one issue.

Remember, the 210 is a military pistol with all of the reliability that goes along with that. But, the 210 is also a pistol used for real, honest-to-goodness accuracy matches where group sizes count in a country where shooting is the national sport and where they have shooting ranges as often as we have baseball/softball fields.

The last time I was in Switzerland, I was somewhat amused to find a long rifle range along the side of a straight stretch of highway. The folks were shooting their 550s with cars passing right by the range. No berms between the lanes and the road, just responsible, nicely dressed folks enjoying the sport.

Knowing that this kind of thing exists must give the likes of Bloomberg and the other busy-bodies of his kind a special kind of night terrors.

Get the 210, and don't forget a few magazines!

 

[Marshwheeling]

If you can afford the Sig, why not get it? It will only go up in value, and it's not like it would be hard to sell.

If you can afford the Sig, you can afford them both. You can have bragging rights with the Sig, shoot it a little, and watch it go up in value. Then you can shoot the heck out of the CZ, enjoy the heck out of it, and not worry about what happens to its resale price.

For me, the Sig is forever out of my reach. It may shoot better than my CZ, but not much better, and I don't know that I could shoot it any better. I will be more than content with the CZ. If my shooting ever improves to where I think the CZ is holding me back, I will rethink my position.

 

[27 Man]

The Sig is probably the better gun but, all things considered, buy the CZ.

 

[Andyd]

I have owned an early M75 and my son has a CZ SP1 and I also have two SIG P210s; a P210-4 and a P210-6. The P210s were not bought for pride of ownership but to be shot and they excel at that in the right hands.

The accuracy with my hardcast 125gr TC bullets isn't bad in the SIGs and the guns ooze quality. The finish inside is as well executed as the finish on the outside, which makes cleaning a real joy. I got the 210-6 to have better sights, as my eyesight is not getting better with age but found no advantage in the SIG adjustable micro sights. The 210-6 does have an even better trigger pull than the 210 military versions and the removable hammer group is fixed to the frame. The trigger contour is also slightly different. My 210-6 had been converted to a side button mag release by the previous owner.

When I compare the triggers of the SP1 and the P210-6, I clearly prefer the 210-6!

As to the magazine capacity and shootability, everyone has his own expectations and preferences. My son prefers his RIA in 9mm over the SP01 because he can just shoot it better.

 

[bc1023]

I've got several of both. CZs are nice pistols, especially the high end models. However, they don't compare to a Sig P210.

 

[American1776]

A quarter million rounds through a SIG P210 is impressive, and I have heard similar reports.

Here's another point: this WILL be a carry piece.

 

[bc1023]

The Sig is probably the better gun but, all things considered, buy the CZ.

What things considered?

 

[neorebel]

Send me the P210 and I can give you a better opinion.

 

[BAM-BAM]

How are you going to use it?


As the owner of neither.........

210 for the range........

CZ for the road!!!!

 

[Arik]

I would say Sig for collecting and/or competition. I wouldn't carry it. First it's the money issue. The 210 is a very expensive gun but in a self defense situation it won't be any better than the CZ. Second, does Sig still service them? I know they are well built but you are buying a USED gun and things do break sooner or later. I wouldn't want to end up with a paperweight for a carry gun. Of course something can break in competition but that's not what I'm really relying on. In overall size they are about the same but you get more ammo with the CZ. Third, being an older design is the Sig capable of shooting hollow point ammunition? I know the P6 were not, and they came later. I'm not sure if even the 220 9mm which replaced the 210 is even capable. Fourth. Sights! I know they work but more modern sights are easier and faster to aquire in a self defense situation.

I know it's a neat gun with swiss quality but when looking for a carry gun I would look/have a more practical mindset. In this case I could spend the money on extra mags, loads of ammo and a class.


Just some interesting facts. The 210 was a licensed copy/redesign of the French model 1935A pistol.

 

[M29since14]

Don't expect a two-inch group at 50 yards. That is incorrect info and you likely will be disappointed. But nevermind that. If you have been wanting a P210, why would you buy something else?

It's true the features of the P210 don't lend themselves to modern combat-style shooting, but that is hardly the point. If you want a modern combat pistol with a high capacity magazine, obviously, buy something else. If you want a P210 for all the reasons and things that make the pistol what it is, I don't know anything else that will do.

Decide what you really want and buy the right gun. If you just want an accurate 9mm the P210 is not your only choice, by any means.

 

[bc1023]

Don't expect a two-inch group at 50 yards. That is incorrect info and you likely will be disappointed. But nevermind that. If you have been wanting a P210, why would you buy something else?

How is it incorrect info? Most Swiss P210s came with targets with a 1.5" group or less. They were shot using a rest. Its absolutely legitimate.

The only thing incorrect about your statement is that it's 50 meters, not yards. It's just shy of 55 yards.

 

[Andyd]

How is it incorrect info? Most Swiss P210s came with targets with a 1.5" group or less. They were shot using a rest. Its absolutely legitimate.

The only thing incorrect about your statement is that it's 50 meters, not yards. It's just shy of 55 yards.

Brian is absolutely right! The P210 had to shoot well under 2" at 50 meters, not yards, to leave the factory. An often overlooked fact is, that the .30 Luger versions did even better.

And why would a P210 not make a good carry piece because of the cost? It is like getting a Porsche for the garage; a stupid waste of money and great vanity. Guns are cheap, shooting them a lot to get proficient with them and making use of the accuracy potential isn't.

My P210-4 was a gift to my oldest son for a special occasion, a Korth Combat is reserved for him for graduation. All my other guns are ridden hard and when my sons inherit them, there will be no returns accepted!

 

[Arik]

Brian is absolutely right! The P210 had to shoot well under 2" at 50 meters, not yards, to leave the factory. An often overlooked fact is, that the .30 Luger versions did even better.

And why would a P210 not make a good carry piece because of the cost? It is like getting a Porsche for the garage; a stupid waste of money and great vanity. Guns are cheap, shooting them a lot to get proficient with them and making use of the accuracy potential isn't.

My P210-4 was a gift to my oldest son for a special occasion, a Korth Combat is reserved for him for graduation. All my other guns are ridden hard and when they inherit them, there will be no returns accepted!

Reason I don't think it's a good carry piece is because there are no parts available if something broke. That's all. Then you are out a carry gun plus the actual value of the gun. Like your Porsche example but more like driving a rare one of 1000 cars as a daily driver and having something break. Those guns were hand fitted so it's not just about finding a part. Otherwise that's my only real complaint

 

[Andyd]

I would say Sig for collecting and/or competition. I wouldn't carry it. First it's the money issue. The 210 is a very expensive gun but in a self defense situation it won't be any better than the CZ. Second, does Sig still service them? I know they are well built but you are buying a USED gun and things do break sooner or later. I wouldn't want to end up with a paperweight for a carry gun. Of course something can break in competition but that's not what I'm really relying on. In overall size they are about the same but you get more ammo with the CZ. Third, being an older design is the Sig capable of shooting hollow point ammunition? I know the P6 were not, and they came later. I'm not sure if even the 220 9mm which replaced the 210 is even capable. Fourth. Sights! I know they work but more modern sights are easier and faster to aquire in a self defense situation.

I know it's a neat gun with swiss quality but when looking for a carry gun I would look/have a more practical mindset. In this case I could spend the money on extra mags, loads of ammo and a class.




Just some interesting facts. The 210 was a licensed copy/redesign of the French model 1935A pistol.

I know a few people that have shot the original Swiss SIG P210's extensively and have not heard of any failure of parts, nor experienced one myself. I know where to find parts for my P210's. Someone who has the financial resources to buy a Swiss SIG, usually is resourceful enough to locate the parts.

The P210 is not just elegant; it is slim, slender and has phantastic ergonomics. The CZ is a brick in comparison to the P210 and the 1911.

 

[Andyd]

Reason I don't think it's a good carry piece is because there are no parts available if something broke. That's all. Then you are out a carry gun plus the actual value of the gun. Like your Porsche example but more like driving a rare one of 1000 cars as a daily driver and having something break. Those guns were hand fitted so it's not just about finding a part. Otherwise that's my only real complaint

Arik,

you have no first hand experience with the P210 but a negative opinion. Well, hollow points work in the P210 as well as in a 1911. You are enough into guns to take the grip angle into account, so please do consider that. It does not mean that all hollow points will work in a P210 but the ones I tried did work.

As I wrote, parts can still be found and for an educated person it is no problem to find parts in Switzerland or Germany, where these fine guns are still enjoying a lively presence in many shooting events.