I'd like your thoughts regarding the new SIG 210

[Shrek Of The Arctic]

I would like to discuss the SIG P-210.

It has become relevant to me because I have an American made P-210 Target that I think I'm stuck with until the end of days.

My son needed cash for a down payment on a truck. I bought a few guns from him to help out. I sold most already, but this one...much harder to move.

It is an extremely nice weapon, but...not my speed, so I have tried and tried and tried to sell it. I marked down from the purchase price about 20 sumpthing percent with no real luck. I then looked on Gunbroker and saw them listed for closer to 40 percent off retail in used condition. Well...I ain't lookin' to take that big a hit, so...I reckon I'll keep it.

So....at this point, I'm looking to buy half a dozen mags, some good leather, and carry the heck out of it. To reiterate, it is a smooth shooting, accurate, reliable and very desirable gun. There are WAY worse guns to get "stuck with" As a lower middle class guy living from paycheck to paycheck I'm fortunate to own it, even if I can't turn it into a desirable revolver.

So....firstly, I would like to hear from other folks who own them, carry them, shoot them...basically have experience with them.

They seem like a fairly unique choice in an age where folks are prone to ask "How many rounds does it hold?!" Before they even consider reliability or the ability to put any of those rounds where they oughta be going.

Me? Heck. I'm used to six rounds and a long 14 lb. Trigger pull. More rounds or less trigger weight than that is just pure gravy to me. I'm pleased as punch with eight rounds!

Looking at the market, and not seeing the 210 as a real hot commodity makes me wonder why the 210 carry ever became a thing? Of course, I've heard rumors they already discontinued it.

The cheaper version was neat, but I woulda figgered folks would want a full length barrel. Basically...a budget 210, but never spoken out loud. Call it the Hoplite or some such.

I especially think it would be more popular in a double stack version these days. I dunno. Rails, optic plates? Or just let the folks who appreciate a fine old school all steel gun enjoy something nice?

Another curious thing to me is the price point. I'll openly admit I'm not a knowledgeable guy in the realm of firearms manufacturing, so...I'm not asking rhetorical questions here to support a pre-determined supposition...

But...the trigger...comparable quality triggers are achieved regularly on many 1911s costing 1/3 the price of a 210. Is the trigger of a 210 far more complex?

The reverse rails...they're nice, but once again, CZ produces pistols with them for far less.

Full length dust cover...do a Platypus build on the Stealth Arms website, and the difference is pretty minor.

There are no rails, optics cuts, etc.

Do they have a team of QC guys who bombard them with calipers, micrometers, and Rockwell hardness testers at every phase?

I get it with the higher prices of the original ones. Way older production methods. I have this mental picture of an old man with a monocle, a milling table, and a needle file when I imagine this one. Lots of amazing hand work work going on there, and scarcity is a real thing.

Of course, after thinking about it, 2K doesn't seem like all that much for the product. Comparing it to higher level CZs and various 2011s, it's right in there. Especially considering the price hasn't increased that much with inflation since it was introduced.

Sure seemed like a bigger deal before my first cup of coffee this morning. But...dang. Now I thought too hard and typed too much to delete it all...

Heck...buy a used one at the 1200-1400 dollar mark, and it might be one of the best deals going these days.

So...SIG 210....I'd like for y'all to lend your thoughts, experiences, or just simple opinions.

I'm sure I've got a correction or two coming as well...

Many thanks in advance!

 

[M29since14]

The SIG P210 seems to be one of those weapons that just builds and builds on an initially well deserved reputation for being a very nicely made pistol - with questionable design features. The new model improved some of those questionable features, in my view, but I suppose it’s still a dated design. None of that takes away any of its charm, and I would be very happy to stumble into a lightly used modern 210 target model for $1200. I’m not holding my breath.

I’d hold on to that pistol. In the long run, I think you will be glad you did. Find something else to carry out in the boonies and put finish wear on. Put it in your nightstand drawer and pull it out now and then to remind yourself what a nice pistol it is.

 

[.455_Hunter]

I have mucho interest in a original Swiss P210, and zero interest in an Americanized P210.

 

[sigp220.45]

I got this Sig P210 Carry for $900 - a pretty steep discount for a used gun with everything that showed no sign of having been fired. The original sale tag was in the case with the used tag, and we went down from there.

I love it. I don’t care it is a single stack, single action, right hand safety, metal gun, with no provision for mounting either a light or an optic. I carry it a lot. Holsters for the Colt Commander fit it perfectly. It is 100% reliable and very accurate. It feels great in the hand.

I’d have to be in pretty dire straits to want to sell it, and there would be a lot of guns ahead of it. My days of shooting at people are well behind me, but this would do the job if I had to get out of a jam. I have no interest in carrying a 365 or a Glock 19.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

I have one of the P210 Target models and for the limited use I’ve given it have found it exemplary. It’s not the most versatile pistol as it’s optimized for target work but it’s great for that. I’ve only used generic ball ammo in it so far but there’s no complaints about accuracy.

While it’s the way of modern gun making…I do miss the high polish blue guns used to receive.

 

[LVSteve]

I have mucho interest in a original Swiss P210, and zero interest in an Americanized P210.

I think this is where the market is for these. IMHO, the US built ones were sold new for close to Swiss prices using the 210 name as the selling point. I suspect this led to a great deal of buyer's remorse for those who jumped on the US guns when they first came out. Then the word on them was, "Yeah, it's a Sig 210, but meh," and the market for them at anywhere like new money vanished.

Early adopters often get burned this way, most often with milsurps. The standard joke is, "You didn't pay too much, you just paid too early." I recently got caught by this when rushing to buy a new, limited availability gun with a novel action. Now Bud's are close to giving them away for five cereal box tops plus shipping. C'est la guerre.

 

[Drm50]

When the SIG 210 first came out retail was about $1500. They could be found for $1300 after initial rush. I’ve got a Brn HP comp that put any other 9mm I’ve ever shot to shame. The 210 and top shelf CZs are at $2K
that’s just the price of poker in todays inflationary economy. Very interesting both but how much better can they be for the average shooter?

 

[MikeR90S]

Mine is my hero gun. When I feel bad about my age related decline in pistol marksmanship, my P210 cheers me up and makes me look good.

 

[Shrek Of The Arctic]

Mine is my hero gun. When I feel bad about my age related decline in pistol marksmanship, my P210 cheers me up and makes me look good.

We all gotta have a feel good gun. One of my best is my S&W 617. But...maybe the 210 can join it....

 

[jc2721]

I bought my 210 "Target" shortly after they came out. When I checked it out at the LGS I found that I didn't like the 2 stage trigger at all. I never fired it and shortly traded it for a consecutive pair of USFA revolvers (blue/cch), which I've never fired either.

The SIG owner is happy with the pistol (he's a bullseye shooter), so all's well.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I got this Sig P210 Carry for $900 - a pretty steep discount for a used gun with everything that showed no sign of having been fired. The original sale tag was in the case with the used tag, and we went down from there.

I love it. I don’t care it is a single stack, single action, right hand safety, metal gun, with no provision for mounting either a light or an optic. I carry it a lot. Holsters for the Colt Commander fit it perfectly. It is 100% reliable and very accurate. It feels great in the hand.

I’d have to be in pretty dire straits to want to sell it, and there would be a lot of guns ahead of it. My days of shooting at people are well behind me, but this would do the job if I had to get out of a jam. I have no interest in carrying a 365 or a Glock 19.

Many of the single stack P-2xx are becoming sought after. I settled on P-239 for carry. I like them enough to have two. I've had a few P-220's also but too big to carry concealed.

SIG has lost it's way and any of the P-2xx series is worth holding on to. IMO.

 

[surfgun]

The American P-210 are very accurate and ergonomic pistols, that are hobbled by a low capacity magazine. The magazine is what prevent it from gaining much popularity.
The safety is located in the right place, excellent trigger and one of the most accurate pistols currently available. I like it.

 

[6string]

The SIG "P210-ish" pistol

The original SIG Neuhausen P-210 is a legendary classic pistol.
We can talk about that all day, but it's besides the point for the sake of this thread.

The new SIG changes the design, the appearance, the way they are built (mass assembled), and the way they are inspected.
Yet, they still call them a "P210".
Why?
Well, we know why: so guys can convince themselves of what a "deal" they are.
But, as the OP's experience illustrates, in a very real way, they are not.

At the OP's suggestion, I looked on GB. There are hundreds of them offered for sale, mostly new.
So, a used example is competing on a saturated market.
Why should anybody buy yours?
Short answer: you offer them the best price.

None of what I'm saying here should come as a surprise. This new SIG "P210-ish" pistol is a consumer product.

It's important to understand that the original SIG Neuhausen facility was a military-industrial manufacturer working to classical Swiss precision standards. The P210 (aka SP47/8) was the only pistol they made. They didn't care how much the final cost was. Things like "price point", "market niche", and all that stuff simply didn't matter. They spent years on the design (and, yes, they developed prototypes with all the stuff you think they should've done...ie: double stack mags, etc) with the intent of building the highest quality military service pistol the world had ever seen. The contracts they secured were for military and police forces in small, wealthy European countries.
As the word got out, individual customers sought out these pistols. Eventually, Neuhausen decided to accommodate these potential customers. But, they were never going to worry about the price, market share, etc.
Things like that have a way of existing only for a brief window of opportunity. Then, they're gone forever!

Curiously, while the new SIG "P210-ish" pistol is a glut on the market, the original SiG Neuhausens are enjoying a renaissance of appreciation, as discerning folks realize what they are. (That's what you call "irony".)
Yes, it's a small niche. But, now as then, there always seems to be a larger demand than supply.
That's something that can never be said of typical commercial goods.

Attached are a couple photos of a SIG Neuhausen P-210 in .22 LR. It is not a P210-7, (as rare and nice as they are)! It belonged to a good friend, who was a dual American-German citizen. He had this built by a retired gunsmith from the original Neuhausen factory, and brought it with him as a personal gun from Switzerland to the USA.
It is an understated beauty of a firearm.

 

[Rock185]

Shrek, Thoughts, experiences, opinions on the 210s: I Can't argue with your comments on the American 210. I've always liked the 210s, bought my first back in the '80s. I've never carried or competed with a 210. When SIG announced they were going to produce a US made 210, I didn't expect that that would ever really happen. Then when they did actually introduce the 210A, I figured they were going to be trash.

I bought one of the American Target models early on, to confirm my preconceived negative opinion of them as much as anything. Turned out to be a finely fitted accurate and reliable pistol. But, the 210A really is kind of an anachronism. Today's buyers want high capacity, lightweight polymer frames, optics cuts, rails, threaded barrels, etc. If SIG produced such on a modified 210A chassis, it still couldn't compete in today's polymer pistol market. Much as I like the 210s, I think they are kind of an acquired taste..

 

[lamarw]

I bought one new last year. It is a quality pistol and very tight.

 

[Baxter6551]

I bought one used a couple of years ago. It had been owned by a 75 year old guy who was born in Switzerland. He had changed the fiber optic front to red. It came with box, 8 mags, an extra set of Hoque carry grips and a Mitch Rosen Sig branded holster. It’s a great accurate shooting gun in my opinion. I did pay over $1,500 for it.

 

[nyeti]

I have two of the Sig P-210 Carry’s. The aluminum fram and flat profile make them a joy to carry. I don’t care that it is a single stack. It makes it ban state compliant and a grip that fits my medium hand like a glove. Mine have been incredibly reliable and disturbingly accurate. They are everything a 9 mm Colt Commander would like to be. I know who was behind the project at Sig and it was executed well. This are now no longer production guns and only built in the custom shop. For a gun you can actually carry as a true defensive pistol, the Sig P210 Carry is far better than the originals.