Dayton model 14-2

mr.molemasher · May 23, 2016

I am a new member; first post.

I was lucky enough to come across a Model 14-2, heavy barrel at a local shop several months ago. I made the purchase not knowing that there was anything specifically different or special from other model 14's. Completed the transaction then started to look for background info, found nothing with respect to value. I trust that someone here could provide some information as to the worth of this revolver

It is the Standard with no target options, no box, but in super condition...could be considered 99%....very slight turn ring on the cylinder, no bluing loss, grips are excellent as well. Thanks. mfg. 1967, k660xxx.

Peak53 · May 23, 2016

Whatever you paid, I bet it borders on felony. I won't venture a value, but several here know a lot about that gun

Engine49guy · May 23, 2016

IMO a LNIB four inch 14-2 HB could bring $1500 to $2k,
A clean shooter grade gun would be a good buy around $600,

A HIGH condition gun with no box or docs probably somewhere in between.
Your serial points to the second batch from mid 1966,
Wondering if it has Diamond target stocks or Magnas ?
If Magnas are they non diamonds , flat bottom or PC curved style ?

Post some pics when you get a chance.

mr.molemasher · May 23, 2016

Dayton

It has the Magnas /flat bottom no diamonds and came with a registration card dated 11/67 and noted as being new. I appreciate your opinion and reply.

Alk8944 · May 23, 2016

I don't want to burst your bubble, but your gun is simply a 4" Model 14, it is not a Dayton Police Supply gun. The description in SCSW leaves a bit to be desired as it states the Dayton guns have a red front sight insert. Some may, but I haven't seen one, including mine which is one of the early ones in the K62352x range. The stocks on your gun are probably replacements as yours should have the PC square butt stocks with diamonds. Did you check the rt. stock for the SN? The SN range for the Dayton guns is reported as ranging from K623337 to K624496, so your SN is a bit too high. The Dayton barrel is taken from the Model 10 HB and is cut for a pinned in ramp sight. The wide rib is entirely smooth and glass beaded. The barrel is also larger diameter and with a wider rib than the Model 14 barrel. I will bet yours has a slight, grooved, channel on the top of the rib that matches the grooving of the rear sight leaf.

This isn't saying it isn't a nice revolver, no doubt in very good condition, and likely well worth what you paid for it. It just isn't a "Dayton".

VM · May 23, 2016

Alk8944 said:
I don't want to burst your bubble, but your gun is simply a 4" Model 14, it is not a Dayton Police Supply gun. The description in SCSW leaves a bit to be desired as it states the Dayton guns have a red front sight insert. Some may, but I haven't seen one, including mine which is one of the early ones in the K62352x range. The stocks on your gun are probably replacements as yours should have the PC square butt stocks with diamonds. Did you check the rt. stock for the SN? The SN range for the Dayton guns is reported as ranging from K623337 to K624496, so your SN is a bit too high. The Dayton barrel is taken from the Model 10 HB and is cut for a pinned in ramp sight. The wide rib is entirely smooth and glass beaded. The barrel is also larger diameter and with a wider rib than the Model 14 barrel. I will bet yours has a slight, grooved, channel on the top of the rib that matches the grooving of the rear sight leaf.

This isn't saying it isn't a nice revolver, no doubt in very good condition, and likely well worth what you paid for it. It just isn't a "Dayton".

Alk8944 - you should do some more research on the Dayton guns.
The 14-2s for Dayton Gun Hq were in the K623XXX & K624XXX range and then again in the K660XXX & 661XXX range. Total quantities are estimated to be 2,000.
There have been many threads here on the Forum with documented guns in the later number range

mr.molemasher · May 23, 2016

Model 14-2

It is stamped 14-2 and has the Heavy barrel as shown. the right grip matches serial on the revolver, not replacements. I must be the first to ever have them off, very snug. As you say, if it is not a Dayton I will be happy that I made the purchase regardless.

Thanks for your knowledgeable information.

VM · May 23, 2016

mr.molemasher said:
It is stamped 14-2 and has the Heavy barrel as shown. the right grip matches serial on the revolver, not replacements. I must be the first to ever have them off. As you say, if it is not a Dayton I will be happy that I made the purchase regardless.

Thanks for your knowledgeable information.

Your grips are an acceptable style. You should letter your gun.
Congrats on the purchase!

mr.molemasher · May 23, 2016

Aircrewman · May 24, 2016

Wow! Just wow! To know that there are still some sleepers out there, albeit very hard to find, is simply wondrous...Congrats on your find of a beautiful Model 14!
Just wow!

Engine49guy · May 24, 2016

Very nice 14-2 HB "Hanen Special" (AKA Dayton gun),
From the pics posted it appears your gun actually has the rounded "PC" Magna style non diamond Magna stocks which would be correct for your serial range IMO.

The initial 14-2 HB run from 1965 are mostly found with diamond Magnas with the "PC" (Plain Clothes) rounded heel although IIRC a few have popped up with flat heel diamond Magnas, and while less prevelant some have also been documented as having shipped with Walnut diamond target stocks .

Although with S&W nothing is absolute the second run from 1966-67 are more commonly found with the then new Non diamond Magnas or Walnut diamond target stocks if targets were specified .

While these were a special order for Dayton Gun Headquarters you will notice this early flyer uses the term"Hanen Special" which ironically is almost never used when describing the 14-2 HB.

SmithNut · May 24, 2016

Engine49guy said:
The initial 14-2 HB run from 1965 are mostly found with diamond Magnas with the "PC" (Plain Clothes) rounded heel although IIRC a few have popped up with flat heel diamond Magnas, and while less prevelant some have also been documented as having shipped with Walnut diamond target stocks .

Although with S&W nothing is absolute the second run from 1966-67 are more commonly found with the then new Non diamond Magnas or Walnut diamond target stocks if targets were specified .

True statement above, you will find all sorts of variations on this model with respect to finish (blue/nickel), stock vintage (diamond/non diamond) and configuration (Target, magnas and modified magnas - aka Plain Cloths), hammer and trigger (standard/target), etc.

The three guns below all lettered as you see them:

Regards,

willie_H · May 24, 2016

This M14-2 also has a SN of K660xxx.

shouldazagged · May 24, 2016

I can't believe we've gotten this far without bidding you welcome to the forum, so welcome to the forum.

That was one hell of an entrance.

I hope you'll stick around. This is a great place to learn, share info, and ofte, to laugh.

mr.molemasher · May 25, 2016

Appreciate the welcome

Thank you. I have been a S&W guy for many years and often looked to this forum for guidance and information from the "sidelines."

bananaman · May 25, 2016

Welcome to the FORUM! I never met ANY 14 I did not like! Congratulations! I have a run of the mill 14-3. I do enjoy it. Bob

bananaman · May 25, 2016

willie_H said:
This M14-2 also has a SN of K660xxx.

Now, that is a BEAUTIFUL SMITH! Bob

44wheelman · May 25, 2016

Welcome to the Dayton club.

Mike Priwer wrote an article on customer blocked s/n's. In it he specifically uses the Dayton HQ s/n's as an example. According to Mr. Priwer: there were 2038 pcs mfg'd from '65 - '68 in 4 seperate blocks of serial numbers taken out for Dayton HQ (aka Hanen Specials). Yours seems to be in the 3rd lot of 800 pcs: s/n 660288-661087.

Mine is blue with the modified magna's (aka pc magna's or plain clothes magns).

Lobster Picnic · May 25, 2016

bananaman, there's no such thing as a run-of-the-mill Model 14. Never seen or heard of one that wasn't superb. If yours is just average why don't you sell it and get a good one? /sarc

mr.molemasher · Jan 5, 2017

Dayton Gun Headquarters

I just received my letter from S&W regarding info for my Dayton model 14-2.

According to them there were only (2) shipments, each consisting of 100 units, shipped to Dayton Gun Headquarters. DGH sent the first request for the first shipment Aug 8,1965. The first 100 were delivered 12-14-1966. DGH ordered the second 100 in 1967. The letter states that there were other distributors in the late 60's and early 70's but not stated that they were 14-2's. Are these 200 revolvers the only ones which should be considered as genuine Dayton?

I have read that there were a total of 2038 produced overall, only 200 were actually sold through Dayton Gun Headquarters.

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