Dealing with gunbroker.com ????

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I have never bought a gun on-line before. Have you folks had good or bad experience with on line purchases ??? What questions would you ask the seller about a hand gun...Iam not a gunsmith or collector..maybe a noobie on what to look for in a used revolver. Thanks
 
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I would judge by the quality and number of photos of the gun in question, the sellers reputation, and how he communicates with you. I personally wouldn't like buying new guns much less used ones that I cannot examine personally, but you can come across some good deals that way especially if your looking for something unique and different.
 
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I've had to return a few due to undisclosed rust or the gun being
misrepresented. Good pictures really help, and asking a lot of
questions is good too. If you can't get a hold of the seller, I
would pass. Also, make sure you have at least a 3 day inspect-
ion period so you can examine the gun for any problems.
 
I've had very good luck so far. My best purchase on GB was a Model 25-9 that had three terrible pictures such as this one:
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I asked the seller to send me some detailed photos of specific areas. I received 8 tack sharp photos of everything I requested within three hours. I kept bidding a reasonable price and my bid never even made the reserve. After the 4th time the auction was re-posted, with me as the only bidder, the seller let it go for my price. This is what it looks like:
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It was immaculate and I think not fired much at all.

I make sure the seller has a LOT of feedback, all positive, and is a verified member, before I'll bid. I avoid auctions where the seller calls the firearm "minty," "rare," "special," or any other such adjective. I look for a detailed, in-depth description, with a return policy. I also bid what my max is, and if it goes over that, even by $5, so be it.
 
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I avoid auctions where the seller calls the firearm "minty," "rare," "special," or any other such adjective. I look for a detailed, in-depth description, with a return policy.

That's one of my policies as well. I also refuse to bid on any auction when the seller lists multiple model numbers or keywords which are not related to the model number being auctioned. In my opinion those auctions should be automatically canceled by GB and if it happens enough the seller should be banned.
 
I have had good experiences on G/B... having recently bought a 14-2 and a 27-2. Agree with the above comments, common sense and caution always apply. If you're not comfortable in your gut, follow your instincts. Pay attention to feedback of sellers.
 
I have also had a lot of good experiences with purchases through Gunbroker. As other have mentioned, make sure you see lots of photos, ask for detail of any areas you consider questionable. For me the most important question is "Do you offer a 3 day no-use inspection period." I usually do the inspection at my dealers shop, and ask my dealer to give the gun a once over just to be sure I didn't miss anything obvious. Only after I have completed my cursory exam do I complete the required paperwork. To my way of thinking, if I haven't completed the paperwork, the gun isn't legally mine.
 
Since the shops in this area virtually never have had the used Smiths I'm after, I've had to buy online each time. I've had good experiences in every case. One I had to send back, but the seller was a dealer who was a great guy and simply was unfamiliar with Smith revolvers.

The other posters have advised you well. I'd say that the the most important factors are communication and the seller's feedback. The positive feedback is often repetitive, but but make sure you read every negative entry and ponder it carefully. There should be very few if any such entries, but even the best sellers occasionally run into an unreasonable buyer who is quick to go off on them. One mark of a good seller, in my view, is that he/she will respond honestly and as courteously as possible to the negative feedback.

Get their phone number and call them if at all possible. Those conversations can be very telling. If the seller acts reluctant to answer your questions, don't deal with him. I've asked sellers many questions on the phone before. The good ones understand that you are thinking of spending serious money on something you can't see, and patiently answer.

There are a number of issues you want to be aware of with a used revolver. If the pictures are close up, clear/focused, and comprehensive(showed you the entire gun -both sides, with cylinder open, grip area, muzzle crown, etc.) you won't have to ask much about cosmetic issues(scratches, rust, etc.). You want to see a good picture of the recoil shield(flat, round part of frame immediately behind the cylinder). It will give some idea of how heavily the gun has been used. This is especially true on magnums, which sometimes, after a lot of shooting of heavy loads, will have outlines of the cartridge heads in the blueing on the shield, and sometimes even the ratchet teeth(don't recall the technical name; the small, sharp protrusions arranged in a circle on the back side of the cylinder by which the cylinder is turned from one chamber to the next) will have left marks on the shield. If this latter item is true, it's probably best to pass on the gun -it has significant fore and aft play in the cylinder(technical name: "end shake").

The cylinder will virtually always have a drag line around it toward the rear where the stop notches are(shallow half-moon cuts which engage the cylinder stop[little rounded piece of steel at the bottom of the frame window] , keeping the chambers locked during firing), so that isn't a concern; but if the stop notches are seriously peened the gun has probably been fired rapidly a good bit in double action mode.

You should also ask about "carry-up", or cylinder "timing". The cylinder stop should 'click' into each stop notch just before the hammer is released in double action mode. This can be tested by the seller while you're on the phone with him.

I also ask about each sight being square/true/level. It is common on used Smith revolvers to have the rear sight leaf slightly twisted, which I can't tolerate. Occasionally the front sight is 'canted'(tilted) slightly to one side or the other. Some folks don't mind that; I do.

I ask about the fit of the grip panels, if that isn't evident in the pictures. One can't expect perfection, but if there are significant gaps anywhere around the grip panels, or if they don't align well with the backstrap(strip of steel at rear of frame between the grip panels), that may be a concern to you.

Well, I haven't covered things comprehensively or very well. Others will come along and correct me and fill in the gaps. Best wishes on your purchases.

Andy
 
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I've bought mostly parts through Gun Broker, but the few guns I have bought have come through pretty much as expected or even a little better. This can be a great way to widen your search for specific guns not commonly available in your area or just all-around rare. I read the description carefully, looking for "weasel words" that suggest there is something being hidden, look at the pictures to see that the whole gun is displayed, "warts and all" and make sure there is at least a 3 day return. Even then it's something of a crapshoot, but so far I've been lucky. YMMV. :confused:

Froggie
 
Bought several on Gunbroker and did real well. It's all about the reputation of the seller, must have lots of good feedback and it doesn't hurt if they turn up in internet searches as being a good seller. Plus plenty of good pictures and sticking on your max price.
It's the only way to find a good selection of guns when you live in a gun unfriendly state.
 
I will only but new guns online. I honestly haven't done a lot online, a half dozen or so, but both used guns I bought online had issues. One was an unfired M14 that had an alignment problem, I had to send it back to the factory and it cost me a couple hundred bucks for repair. In the sellers defense, it probably left the factory like this, but he didn't respond to my emails.
The second was a 25-9 that someone had polished the case hardening off from the hammer and trigger. This wasn't readily apparent in the photos and he wouldn't respond either. Both sellers had good feedback and did ship the guns quickly.
The new guns I have bought have all been excellent deals at great prices, so no more used guns for me online.
I am probably partially to blame for not doing my due diligence, and both used guns were fairly hard to find and the prices were decent.
These days I won't buy a used gun if I can't handle it first.
 
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There are a certain percentage of sellers that are very honest about what they have and then there's the guys at the other extreme.Really study the photos and read between the lines in the description.Any doubts,ask questions and ask for better pix.Its expensive and a hassle to send a gun back.Out of around 15 buys,Ive only had one lemon.
 
All good points above. I would second asking about the mechanical condition of a revolver (timing, rotational and fore-aft cylinder play) and also add the condition of the bore and chambers. These cannot usually be photographed and are often missed in a written description.
 
I ask about the condition of the bore and whether the gun functions properly. I mention what my local FFL wants shipped, paperwork wise, with it, and ask if they would comply. Often I get no reply. I don't bid on those.

Blow the pictures up and look at them carefully.

I've had good luck, so far. Remember that some sellers don't know much about what they're selling. Others just act that way.
 
I have had generally a good experience with Gun Broker. My advice is similar to a lot of the advice already provided. Snowman (post #9) has provided excellent advice. I would add to pay ONLY by one of two ways: Either by credit card or by United States Postal Money order. If you want a further layer of fraud protection and if a seller is selling from a state that requires them to transfer through a FFL holder or if your FFL holder requires the gun be transferred to you from a FFL holder, then you can make your payment payable to the FFL holder instead of the individual who is selling the gun. Scams do happen. Here's a link to a scam alert at this forum:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/guns-sale-trade/384029-scam-alert-wts-6-colt-python-stainless-sold.html
 
I purchased a Remington 700 LTR on gunbroker before. To this day it's one of my favorite firearms. The site is legit, but your experience depends on who the seller is.

If they ask you to use paypal off site, don't. PayPal can terminate your account because they do not support firearm transactions (f them, right?) and if the seller asks you to send the money listed as a "gift" or "other services" instead, they can pretty much take your money and you have no buyer protection at all. They can not send you anything and keep your money.
 
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I have been very lucky buying on GB. I have asked for more pictures and the sellers always provided more. Usually the gun was better than described. I have only bought if the seller has had a 98% or better feedback rating.
 
I have never bought a gun on-line before. Have you folks had good or bad experience with on line purchases ??? What questions would you ask the seller about a hand gun...Iam not a gunsmith or collector..maybe a noobie on what to look for in a used revolver. Thanks

I have bought both new & used on gunbroker, all good experiences
I have heard bad things about armslist, but never bought there.
 
I bought about ten guns on GB in the past 6 months and have only been disappointed once. I bought a pre model 27, thinking I was getting a great deal. Once delivered, I found that it had been factory refinished. I actually got a fair deal considering the actual condition, so I kept the gun. I learned to request pictures of the frame without the stocks. I agree that you need to request more pictures if the seller has not provided close ups from every angle.
 
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