Defensive Gun Ownership - The Myth

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Pack 'em up and send them to me. I'll take the responsibility and won't fault you if I hurt myself!
 
The Pres ordered the CDC to study gun violence. he doesn't like to talk about the results. The report indicated that while it is hard to track defensive gun use, the evidence shows that guns are used to protect at least as often as to attack, and probably much more often for defense than is reported. Some one starts to attack, sees the holster, backs off. Can't count it cause it doesn't get reported.
 
Any idiot with an agenda can design a hokey study to make their point. For the purpose of fair balance I also view many of the NRA funded studies with a grain of salt.

American Citizens are constitutionally allowed to own guns. Get over it.
 
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MrJT was, I presume, completely joking. What I worry about is that I am always afraid my guns are going to come out at night and beat me to a pulp in my sleep. As far as the anti-gunners go, that's not a myth - but they have the right to say it.......eek!
 
JohnSW said:
Gun Deaths

#1 Suicide
#2 Homicide
#3 Unintentional Injury

In comparison, the number of justifiable homicides is miniscule.
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Just plain wow. And I'm trying to figure out how one might manipulate that data, but it makes too much sense. Justified homicide may even rank below LE Justified Shootings. Very Sobering.

And I don't think this book applies. Unfortunately.
 

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Yes, to quote Ted Nugent, certain "brain dead dip****s" have been spouting this trash for years. Nothing new. Nothing to see here.

Personally, I do not care if any OTHER gun is EVER used for defense or to ward off a criminal. The fact that I COULD use mine if the opportunity arose is enough for me to reject the infantile notion of these two morons.

I have never used a fire extinguisher either, and if someone wanted to, it hangs there and someone COULD take it down and spray powder in someone's eyes or whack someone in the face with it. That has NEVER happened, and the fire extinguisher, unlike the home defense pistol is not even locked up if not being carried. Despite the fact that someone MIGHT do mischief with that fire extinguisher, I think I will keep it around.
 
Mark Twain: "there are lies,dammed lies and statistics" you can pose questions and studies in a way that will skewer the results. A problem with both sides of just about any question.
 
Did several years of research long ago for a thesis on gun control. Some of the literature was interesting. Stats got thrown around, but the source of those numbers wasn't ever cited. I recall one (believe by NCBH or some such alphabet group that's since changed their name) that cited a firearms death number I couldn't match by adding up suicides, justifiable homicides, accidental deaths and homicides. I rather presume they invented the number.

The "peer reviewed studies" were-I believe "flawed" would be the generous term-in the overall design and sourcing of stats. I tried to verify some of the stats cited in a widely quoted study (by a famous prof) and couldn't. When I checked with the footnoted source, they wrote back that "they didn't group populations in that manner". I couldn't resist including that in the thesis.

So, either the unacknowledged grad student the great man had doing his work fudged the stats to get the results the boss desired, or the great man did. However, it was his name on the paper.

The Lott study pretty much blew that "myth" of the self defense gun out of the water except for true believers.
 
Good article, thanks for sharing.

From the outside looking in, gun owners tried adopting the language of their opponents to argue that gun ownership was for the greater good. It was, and is, a poorly conceived idea to take the argument to their terms.
 
Sounds like another intentionally deceptive apples to coconuts comparison.

If you're going to premise defensive gun use on a DEATH, then you have to do likewise for all OTHER methods of self-defense.

  • You haven't defended yourself with the martial arts unless you choke, punch or kick somebody to DEATH.
  • You haven't defended yourself with a chemical spray unless it KILLS somebody.
Funny how you NEVER see any of these IMBECILES suggest that somebody carry sarin gas for self-defense.

The last time I defended myself, it was with a semi-automatic rifle with a loaded forty round magazine, yet NOBODY got shot, nor indeed were any shots fired. Apparently since there was no corpse by the side of the road, I didn't actually defend myself...
 
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I'm not sure, but I believe that one of the reasons so few of us are participating in this thread is that there just isn't that much interest in refuting the same old lies. Give us some new ones.
 
Model520Fan said:
I'm not sure, but I believe that one of the reasons so few of us are participating in this thread is that there just isn't that much interest in refuting the same old lies. Give us some new ones.
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Yeah. The only things we like rehashing is Open Carry talk, and the adequacy of .380 for defense! :D
 
statistics can be presented to benefit the originator and are easily absorbed as fact by the gullible......
 
Consider the source..... Look up those two "journalists". If brains were leather,...they couldn't saddle a flea. All those so called "degrees" but not enough common sense or experience in the REAL world to impress me. Test takers....
 
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