Detroit PD gun picture thread?!!!!

[moosedog]

Nice model 22 even if refinished.
DPD had department orders and then there were orders by indivdual officers with letters stating that they were police officers and ordering guns for duty use.
The DPD ordered guns were marked with department inventory numbers on the backstrap on S&Ws and on the bottom of the frame on Colts.
Guns ordered by individuals would not have an inventory number on the gun.
Does it look like the inventory number was polished off on the model 22?

 

[Aerojoe]

The only problem is Detroit never issued .45 acp guns. I am going to see a retired Dpd gunsmith in the next week or two I will ask him about these guns if he knows. It would be interesting to see how many guns were in that order that never made it to Detroit will S&W tell you if asked? I always thought they said how many guns were in a shipment to a Dept when lettering a gun? Unless it was a last minute change to stay with the .38's??

The model 10-5 was not the last 38's ordered by the department. They had about 500 NIB never issued model 64-5's SS that were sold to century arms in 1991.

 

[bk43]

They had about 500 NIB never issued model 64-5's SS that were sold to century arms in 1991.

Would the 64-4 2" I posted on page 8 been mixed in with the 64-5 3" and 4" or was that another order? My understanding is that the -4 and -5 is just barrel length.

Bob

 

[Aerojoe]

Would the 64-4 2" I posted on page 8 been mixed in with the 64-5 3" and 4" or was that another order? My understanding is that the -4 and -5 is just barrel length.

Bob

I am not sure if they were the same order. The way I understand from a few retired guys from firearms it's order's depended on different things. Was DPD planning on hiring new po's were there a lot of guys retiring taking their guns, was there any extra money for a gun purchase minimum run required.

I doubt your gun was purchased with the 64-5's. The way I understand it they were bought just before the change to glocks in 91. That is why none of the 64-5's were ever issued. Your 2" 64 is marked as a 64-4 not a 64-2? My 2" 64 is marked 64-2 and was issued in 1988 to a retiring range officer.

 

[Aerojoe]

As a side note I do believe with the new change to the M&P40's Detroit will no longer have any model 10's, OFPMKIII's, or officer owned guns in use anymore.

When they changed to the glocks in 91 there were a bunch of officers that wanted to keep their wheel guns. I think mostly do to the fact they were not allowed to buy "their" guns. I know a few who just didn't want a plastic gun. But since they are selling the officers their guns this time I think everybody will change over.

I believe my father's last partner before being promoted was the last officer to carry his own supplied weapon a Colt Anaconda and he retired with a Duty disability last fall.

 

[bk43]

I doubt your gun was purchased with the 64-5's. The way I understand it they were bought just before the change to glocks in 91. That is why none of the 64-5's were ever issued. Your 2" 64 is marked as a 64-4 not a 64-2? My 2" 64 is marked 64-2 and was issued in 1988 to a retiring range officer.

Mine is definitely a 64-4. Since it's a 1988ish gun, based on what you say it appears to be part of another order before the 64-5's in 1991.

Bob

 

[Aerojoe]

The 64-5's were not bought in 91. 1991 is when they started to issue the glock 22's. If I remember right the 64-5 I saw was around stock number 30K. I am not sure the year they were ordered but yours would have been I think around the mid 80's. If I can find my book with when mine was checked in I could tell you they were probably the same order as they are not far off mine is a 64-2. I might be able to get some info for you in a week or so or maybe I will get lucky and find my little notebook .

 

[Aerojoe]

Sorry Bk43 I didn't have have a chance to check on that number been busy as Hell.

I did just pick up another DPD gun had to goto BumF**ck Egypt to get it and paid a little more than I wanted but it was an auction. It was listed just as a Detroit gun when I got there it looked like a model 10 with no 10-5 marking. I called the old man and he made a quick call DPD records have it listed as a S&W police special 5" barrel. I know my M&P is recorded as a M&P in the DPD records. Did smith make a "police special" or was somebody not put in M&P and just called it a police special it is a 5 screw gun???

Does anybody know what year Smith went from the just MADE IN USA to the Marcas Registradas stamp and were M&P's marked with the later??? Never seen a 5" M&P in nickel seen the snub nose not the 5". I will get a pic up in the next week or so when I have time.I also need to find a set of original grips these had crazy wood grips with a finger rest on them. DPD# is 10084.

 

[bk43]

Does anybody know what year Smith went from the just MADE IN USA to the Marcas Registradas stamp and were M&P's marked with the later???

The change order was issued on 4-26-1948 so starting sometime after that date. M&P's were certainly included.

Bob

 

[Brian41]

Great thread and have enjoyed reading it and seeing your guns. I have no DPD guns but have seen a few for sale around here. Closest I own is a Colt Commando used by Buick plant protection during WWII and stamped in same manner. Those might make an interesting thread as I believe S&W Victorys were also used in war plants then.

I do have a buddy that is a retired DPD LEO. His first day as a rookie was the day the 1967 riots started. He was issued a Colt and on that first day found himself alone and facing rioters and looters. He's told me he fired that gun and doesn't know if he hit his targets but did enable him to get out of there.
I know he later went to a S&W M-19 but don't know if it was issue or personal weapon. He has some good stories about his days in the DPD carrying those wheelies.

 

[mkk41]

Isn't Detroit pretty much an 'anti-civillian owning guns' kinda city? Odd that the PD would release guns to dealers.

 

[Aerojoe]

I would not say Detroit is anti-gun I live here. They do however put stipulation on their guns being resold in this area. Which is why they are all over the country and not alot around Mi except the po's that have them.

I have been told that they did this again with the change over to the M&P40's. All glocks are being shipped off the only ones coming back to Detroit are the ones the officers are buying back( their issued gun). It is said they are not going to be allowed to sell the guns to any dealers or Distributors around Mi not sure how tight they are going to be with this.

They are getting top $$$. Last word officer will have to pay around $465 for their guns which is a lot considering some (most) are almost 20yrs old gen 1's . But Like my father said it was his for 20yrs and he wants it back besides he gets his M&P free when he retires.

 

[pred]

Wow that 2"er really looks nice!!!!\
Just one thing would make it look nicer~~~~~
~~If it were in my safe~~~~
What a Beauty!!!
Peter

 

[Aerojoe]

Detroit Police marked glocks and carbines are hitting dealers across America now. The prices are not cheap reasonable but not cheap. Mine are on the way

 

[pred]

What kind of carbines and how about a link to where you're getting yours from!
Peter

 

[Aerojoe]

They are just M1 carbines GI some alpines and Universals aswell but they want over $500 for Universals

I got a pretty decent deal on a grade one Winchester $840 no link call your dealer tell them to order you one they should know where. I do know dealer price on the winchester was like $779 grade 1 and Postal meters were $759 grade one add dealer mark up and you are over $800 fast.

But like I said they are not deals but if you collect Detroit guns you buy. I am not sure where all the crappy carbines are I have only seen grade 1 and grade 2 . I though somebody told me there were over 2k DPD carbines not sure I know there were alot.

The glocks are slowly coming out I have not come across any gen 3 model 22's (there are said to be over 1k NIB) just gen 2 22's and I have 23's and 27's on order all Detroit marked. These are just getting out.

The only problem is supply of quality .30 carbine ammo at a good price good thing I have a couple thousand rounds in my ammo fort. Not sure were all the ammo went from DPD???

 

[Aerojoe]

Here is an IBM IBM M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Cal. Non-Import - Military Rifles 30 Caliber Carbine

 

[Aerojoe]

Whitecoyote that model 10 is beautiful it looks to be unfired no "drag line". Why would you shoot it? I am all for shooting my guns even my rarest and nicest but I don't shoot my never fired guns???

 

[S. Kelly]

Who has the turned in Glocks from DPD? I'd love a G27 from Detroit PD.

 

[smith17]

model 22

Moosedog:
Sorry, I lost track of this thread. It is apparent that the backstrap had been polished/milled down to get rid of any identifying marks. The rear of the magnas is not flush with the backstrap but is flush on the other sides, indicating to me that there was metal removed.

Aerojoe:
Not sure why there is a problem just because no .45s were issued to the department. I never indicated that it was an issued gun, only what Roy's letter stated.

Ed