JaPes
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Then you have a win-win dilemma my friend. Good luck!
Dilemma: M&P 15 Sport for $699 or M&P 15 OR for $799
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Then you have a win-win dilemma my friend. Good luck!
Splittiebus66
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I am sorry but after my experiences with red dots and magnifiers to go 200 to 300 yards your better have a bus sized target, Magnifiers may take you to 175 but they also increase the size of your dot, which makes surgical style hits impossible. It does allow you to hit inside the dot which increases by 4. so is you start with a 4 or 5 moa dot your are shooting at a 16 or 20 MOA dot, where I am predator or prairie dog hunting that is not near precise enough plus at 200 yards a 20 moa dot is bigger than a human sized target IMHO. No disrespect just food for thought, I happen to run an 8-32x42 optic right now.
crracer_712
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I'd get the OR, since you want a red dot and you want to plink. I don't think you're ever going to use a BUIS setup. I find I either use optics or open, but never both at the same time. I prefer not to have a fixed post out front, but I have two rifles like that, currently with no optics on them.
That is a heck of a buy on the OR. UTG has come iron sight, look identical to what is put on the M&P 15-22, and the rear sight of the original sport (before they started putting magul on). You can find them for about 40 bucks a pair. I have a set sitting on my dresser I pulled off my 15-22 since I scoped it.
You said plinking, so that means you're probably going to be shooting cheap ammo. Cheap ammo is 55 grain.
That is a heck of a buy on the OR. UTG has come iron sight, look identical to what is put on the M&P 15-22, and the rear sight of the original sport (before they started putting magul on). You can find them for about 40 bucks a pair. I have a set sitting on my dresser I pulled off my 15-22 since I scoped it.
You said plinking, so that means you're probably going to be shooting cheap ammo. Cheap ammo is 55 grain.
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I was in the same boat. I was between the Sport and OR. By the time I got to the store, the Sport was sold. The OR was a decent deal at $850. At $799, it's a great deal.
Go with the red dot optic of your choice and a .83 riser. This will give you a good view through your optic without wrenching your neck. It will also allow you to use iron sights in the future (if you go that route) and look right through your red dot without having to remove it.
I got the Matech rear sight from Oneyeopn and it's really nice.
My OR and my 15-22. The front Iron Sight came from the 15-22.
Go with the red dot optic of your choice and a .83 riser. This will give you a good view through your optic without wrenching your neck. It will also allow you to use iron sights in the future (if you go that route) and look right through your red dot without having to remove it.
I got the Matech rear sight from Oneyeopn and it's really nice.
My OR and my 15-22. The front Iron Sight came from the 15-22.
Thanks everyone, will this combination of iron sights work on the OR:
Front sight: AR-15 Low Profile Front Sight Black Leapers UTG: ARR-153 - AR-15 Low Profile Front Sight Black Leapers UTG Works with Handguard Rails and High Profile Gas Block Rails
Back sight: Magpul BUIS: ARR-850 - MBUS MagPul Rear Flip Up Sight Black Gen 2 Fits Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny Rail Lightweight Polymer
Front sight: AR-15 Low Profile Front Sight Black Leapers UTG: ARR-153 - AR-15 Low Profile Front Sight Black Leapers UTG Works with Handguard Rails and High Profile Gas Block Rails
Back sight: Magpul BUIS: ARR-850 - MBUS MagPul Rear Flip Up Sight Black Gen 2 Fits Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny Rail Lightweight Polymer
crracer_712
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Yes............ (for the 10 character requirement....)
Thanks guys. Now I just have to figure out how to sight them in.
As a first time AR15 owner I'm debating between buying the 2 sights listed above or just get the Bushnell TRS-25 and UTG .83 Riser. As a newbie, which of these combinations would be better for plinking? Sorry to be so long winded.
As a first time AR15 owner I'm debating between buying the 2 sights listed above or just get the Bushnell TRS-25 and UTG .83 Riser. As a newbie, which of these combinations would be better for plinking? Sorry to be so long winded.
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Kodiakco
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That's pretty much what I was going to say.
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Now we're down to preference. I have both in my set up but find myself using the irons more than the red dot. However, my kid folds down the back iron and prefers the red dot. It's going to be tough for anyone to help with that question as it's a matter of what you like best.
I will put one more plug in for the Matech rear sight. Oneyeopn (has posted in this thread) has them for less than the polymer MBUS. These are like $70-$80 sights normally. I have both and really like the Matech. It has more adjustments than I'll ever use. And, the guys at the range are always oohing and aahing at it.
cyphertext
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It depends on what type of "plinking" you like to do. If plinking consists of shooting soda cans 50 yards out as fast as you can, then red dot. If plinking consists of trying to make one ragged hole, then iron sights or, better yet, a scope with magnification.
cyphertext
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I will put one more plug in for the Matech rear sight. Oneyeopn (has posted in this thread) has them for less than the polymer MBUS. These are like $70-$80 sights normally. I have both and really like the Matech. It has more adjustments than I'll ever use. And, the guys at the range are always oohing and aahing at it.
I'll second this plug. I prefer the Matech over the Magpul polymer sights as well. I like having the elevation available at the turn of the dial. I also would prefer the original fixed sight the Sport came with over the Magpul. I had a hard time with the Magpul since the top of the sight is not round. Even though the aperture is round, having the ghosting of the sight not appear round messed with me (this probably does not make sense to anyone else reading this). Because the ghost outline of the outer edge of the sight did not appear round, my eye did not want to focus at the center naturally.
I think I'm going to go with the Bushnell TRS-25 on the .83 riser.
Without me having BUIS should I mount the Red Dot on the front the receiver rail, or towards the back? I have seen most people mount them towards the front of the receiver rail.
What are the pluses and minuses of each location?
Without me having BUIS should I mount the Red Dot on the front the receiver rail, or towards the back? I have seen most people mount them towards the front of the receiver rail.
What are the pluses and minuses of each location?
Breechloader
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I have a TRS25 and it is not like a eotech type red dot. Its more like a scope to me in that to see what you are aiming at it needs to be looked into. Not as restrictive as a scope like a 3-4 inch eye relief but for me no more than ~12 inches before it becomes hard to use.
cyphertext
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I have mine mounted to the front of the rail on the receiver. It is forward enough that I can keep both eyes open, but look through it with my right eye. I see the outside of the scope, but it is kinda blurry or ghosted, but the red dot appears to float. The advantage is that with both eyes open, I have a wider field of view and can still use my peripheral vision when hunting.
Kodiakco
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Two schools of thought. 1. As far forward as possible to get the outside FOV as much as possible. 2. As close as possible to have as wide a FOV inside the ring (Fight thru the Ring).
With 1 your able to see more outside the ring of the red dot.
With 2 it's possible to have two target inside the ring for faster transitions between the targets.
Since the picture I posted above, I have move mine halfway back. The TRS-25 has such a small ring that I end up taking longer to find the dot. Try it different ways and which one is faster for you.
Wtex
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So have you gotten one yet? Most folks are leaning toward the OR, but I'll go the other way, for plinking the Sport is ready to go as it already has sights and is 100 bucks cheaper. $699 is a little high but right now they are hard to find.
cyphertext
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This is the way I would go too. $100 less, comes with sights. You put your red dot on it and you are good to go. I believe the melonited 1:8 twist with 5R rifling is a better barrel than the 1:9 twist chrome lined barrel.
That is a good price on the OR though. Either way you are getting a good rifle. You just have to decide which features are more important to you.
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