Dogs I Have Known.....

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Dog's I have Known.....

Yeah... For those that don't know, that's a title from a comedy album by the Late and Great Jerry Clower! It seemed Fitting so I borrowed it for the title of this post!!

Now there's a Post called "Cougar hunting caliber conundrum" by 38splfan in which a member quoted a pic of a cougar that was cornered/Treed, by what looks like a Walker Dog along with a pair of Purty Bluetick's and he asked: "Somebody explain to me how that is "hunting", please." Which is why I'm starting this thread to avoid hijacking that thread...

First off, If you've never used dogs to hunt with, Please don't knock it 'till you've tried it!! Personally I've only used dogs to hunt deer so that's what I'll be talking about so here we go!

My first "Hunting" dog wasn't even mean't to be a hunter as he was a full blooded Bassett Hound that I bought in a pet store for $100.00... And that was gonna be his Job: to be a Pet!! And Boy was he Good at it!!! ;) :D

I named him Roscoe and when he was almost 2 years old my nephew invited me to go deer hunting with him and a friend of his, He told me they had a pair of Beagles that were really good hunters and should see some deer that weekend! So I said yes and asked if I could take Roscoe? He asked if he hunted and I said No, not really but he would tree a cat in a heartbeat!! :D He said the more the merrier so bring him and I did!

The next morning in Ocala near the Bombing Range we met up and my nephew's friend and I started off by walking the dogs through several different blocks of woods from daylight until about 11:00 that morning. By then Kenny, the guy I was walking with, was extremely upset that we hadn't jumped anything.. The reason for that was the dogs spent more time following us than actually hunting!!!

Well we watered the dogs, put them in the truck and was taking a short break before we went back at it when we heard some dogs coming at us Hard!!! We grabbed our guns just in time to watch 2 does and a yearling cross into the Bombing Range! We put the guns up and headed to where they crossed to head the dogs running the deer. We caught them and I found the track where the deer had crossed and marked the spot.. We checked the collars and called the owner to let him know we had his dogs and where so we waited for him to pick them up. We talked to the owner a few minutes and then Kenny asked if he minded us putting our dogs on the deer just to see if they would run. He looked at Kenny like he was crazy but said go ahead..

Now at this point it needs to be Known that this was my first time hunting with dogs and didn't really have a clue as how to get Roscoe to run those deer.. But I Did have a pretty good idea!! ;)

Kenny and John, my nephew, turned to beagles out and they just started running up and down the side of the road just happy to be loose.. I toted Roscoe to where I marked the tracks coming outta the woods and started putting his nose in each track and walking him across the road while saying "Gittem!!" in a soft voice that got louder as we crossed the road. When I got to the far side of the road, Roscoe was getting excited, with that tail wagging so I hollered "GITTEMDANGIT!!!!" and turned him loose!! He went back and forth a few times, cut the trail, stood up on his hind legs, let out a Bellow and hit those woods on a MISSION!!! :eek: :eek:

The 2 beagles in the meantime hear Roscoe, saw him hit the woods and decided that was where the Fun was so all three dogs was lighting them up for about a half hour before they quit... 20 minute's after they quit running, Ol' Roscoe brought the other 2 dogs back out with him, within 10' of where he went in :D, and then the Lovin' and Petting was started by me as I proceeded to tell Roscoe what a good dog he was!! The 2 beagles got attention also!! :cool:

The end of this particular story is that we got 4 more races up that day and Roscoe found/jumped all 4 with the beagles tagging along behind him every time!! :D :D

Now, You're gonna say "That's not a Sporting way to Hunt" and I'm gonna tell you that in all the years that I hunted Ocala, my group saw alot of deer but we never dropped one mainly due to the fact that the deer were so stretched out while running you couldn't see if it was a buck or a doe!!

To me, the Fun was in the Chase and the Fact that Ol' Roscoe had the Lead!!!! ;) :cool: :cool:

RIP My Buddy......
 
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If I catch dogs running deer on my property in West Virginia, and I don't know the owner(s), it becomes dog season right there and now. If I know the owner(s) I tell them what happened and they take care of the problem. No running deer just because the dogs like it.
 
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My Dad was an avid quail hunter. He had several really good bird dogs when I was a kid. First up was Kate. An English Setter and one of the best quail dogs anywhere around. Other hunters would be after my Dad to let them hunt with him for two reasons. 1: Kate never let us down. She always found birds and had a good hunt. 2: They wanted their dogs to run with Kate for a while just so they could learn from her. She was also a real sweetheart and we loved so.

Then there was Jack. A Pointer. Great bird dog, but at home he was a hard headed, numb skull. He was always gettin' into sumthin. If he wasn't digging holes, he was climbing the 8 foot fence to get outta the dog yard. :rolleyes: Dad tied a cinder block to him once to stop that, but gave him a bit too much chain. That moron climbed the fence and darn near hung himself! :eek:

Sadly, the coyotes moved into our area about 25-30 years ago and the quail hunting pretty much ended. Rabbits too. :mad:
 
If you are hunting with dogs around here you best be hunting pheasants or quail. Or retrieving ducks and geese.

Iowa law only permits the use of dogs to follow a blood trail of a wounded deer. And the dog must be on a leash not more than 50 ft long. This law was just passed this year.

What the OP describes harkens back to the British fox hunts.
 
Yankees don't understand. It's that simple.


My father-in-law was from Pennsylvania. I used to go out occasionally with a friend of mine that had a pack of beaglets (there's two sizes of beagles - 14" and 10". These were the little ones). I was talking about it one time, and Jim made the statement that if he was ever out in the woods and saw a dog chasing a deer, he would shoot the dog. I told him he best do that from cover, because if the dog's owner saw it they're liable to shoot him.


I guess it's all in how you were raised.
 
Thanks All for your response's!! It is indeed illegal to use dogs to deer hunt in over 95% of the US for varying reason's and I DEFINITLY don't agree with keeping dogs in a pen just to use them to hunt for a month or so a year. I believe I have better result's making the dog's First job just being a Pet! If the dog likes going out in the woods and WANTS to hunt, So be it!! I'll be taking him or her out to places that allow dog hunting and have fun!!

Because like W. Virginia and other places Florida doesn't allow dog hunting all over the state, just in certain places, and Yes, People will shoot dogs for running deer. I don't agree with that but I'm not going into that as it'll most likely turn this thread into an argument that is not my purpose....

Here in Florida there are places that are almost impossible to still hunt in like the Big Scrub in Ocala where there are no trees to climb and the brush is so tight you'll never see the deer to get a shot at him....

Also there's feral hog hunting. I never cared for wild pork but I would probably use a trap instead dogs for that as I don't want to see any dog get cut up because he don't know how to handle a wild pig.. Which reminds me of 2 Rottweilers my son and wife had...

I might have to post that story also.. ;) :D :D
 
pawngal said:
OK, please explain to this Yankee. It's not like the deer meat tastes better if its been run a mile or more.
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I can't. I can no more explain to someone who thinks that dog should not be used for hunting why they should, then I could explain why brussel sprouts taste good (they don't by the way - they are nasty) or why Ford is better than Chevy, or vice versa.


You have been raised to believe one way. Explaining won't help.


Although we took my father-in-law out one time and let him follow some tracks into a tie-tie swamp, while we waited on the outside. When he finally made it out, about 3 hours later, he said he now understood why people use dogs.
 
Alpo said:
I can't. I can no more explain to someone who thinks that dog should not be used for hunting why they should, then I could explain why brussel sprouts taste good (they don't by the way - they are nasty) or why Ford is better than Chevy, or vice versa.


You have been raised to believe one way. Explaining won't help.


Although we took my father-in-law out one time and let him follow some tracks into a tie-tie swamp, while we waited on the outside. When he finally made it out, about 3 hours later, he said he now understood why people use dogs.
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I realize your hunting conditions are very different than for us north country people. You'd never make it when the temperature is 25 below and the wind chill is -60 with a foot or so snow on the ground. And try walking thru miles of 4-5 foot tall switchgrass. We don't all sit in cozy tree stands and hope a deer walks by.
 
Hunting with dogs is natural. I think they call it coexistence and in short it brought the domestication of the canine. There were times past when dogs payed their way, sometimes even hunting for the "pack".

We're much more civil than that. We have scopes and such know.
 
pawngal said:
I realize your hunting conditions are very different than for us north country people. You'd never make it when the temperature is 25 below and the wind chill is -60 with a foot or so snow on the ground. And try walking thru miles of 4-5 foot tall switchgrass. We don't all sit in cozy tree stands and hope a deer walks by.
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The reason I don't still hunt here in Fla. is I got tired of listening to the mosquito's discuss whether they were gonna eat me in the tree or take me home for their kid's..... :eek: :eek: :D
 
Used to have beagles, they were so much fun to chase rabbits with. They loved it and I did to. Shot many of them with my old Winchester Model 12 in 20 gauge.

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
One time I went with a Lady to visit her Cousin up on the Russian River.
We got out of the car and were greeted by about a dozen Fox Terriers.
They were delighted to see us! New People!
The Cuz and Wife came and I met them.
Then I heard this painful moaning and crying from a dog behind the house.
At that time, Cali Deer Hunters were allowed to use one dog to track deer.
If the entire pack got loose, they would go hunting.
So he always kept one chained to a clothesline in the backyard.
Later, we went out back, met that dog and he rotated dogs.
 
Speaking of Ocala.........Some buddies and I were camped out on Pat's Island one really cold(for Florida)night when a blue tick hound wandered into camp. Poor guy was shivering badly. We gave him some lunch meat and some water. We were his buds after that. He spent the night in the tent. He took off the next morning and we bumped into a couple of hunters the next morning looking for their lost dog. We told them he was our guest for the night and should be somewhere nearby. Hopefully they found their pup.
 
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