Double Strike Question 3953TSW, 5906, 6906, 5946

[GaryS]

And here I was kidding with my earlier post about a run of five special guns for a specific customer. Although maybe it was more and these were the left overs.

Once again, never say never when it comes to S&W.

Agree on price - too high - there have been 4 3953TSW in UCU5793-UCU5897 in original SW cases LNIB on GB recently - all 404541, all 8rd, all UPC 0 22188 11503 1, all Houlton ME, 3 with same 3197 date code (UCV5883 checked by SW as 2013). Dont think any went over $600.

Wondering if the odd Product # 404541 may be tied to a unique Double Strike configuration - there have been at least 5 examples with that product code on GB in last year (4 mentioned above plus one BAW prefix Springfield, MA dated 2004 - I have one and will try to check it when I get a chance today or tomorrow.

Other Product codes observed for 3953TSW are 104540 (early = 1997-1999 7rd, No Rail, no LCI port) and 149332 (9/2008 8 rd, with Rail + LCI Port)

 

[ACEd]

Yes please, let us know. I like my 3914DAO, and I wouldn't mind having this if it is truly a traditional DAO.

But that price......

Ok. Checked my 2004 vintage 3953TSW with Springfield markings and Product Code 404541 "M3953TSW 9MM FS AA DA" UPC 0 22188 11503 1 is NOT Double Strike Capable. Cant say anything about the UCV group that looks like 579x-589x range 2013-2015 production from Houlton ME.
For the heck of it, I also checked my NYPD 5946 UCU prefix dated 2013 by SW from Houlton, ME and it is also NOT Double Strike Capable.

 

[JohnHL]

John

This part has me confused. My experience with semi pre cocked DA guns is with HK P2000s. With those the first shot is pre staged also because the slide has to be racked to load a round. Wouldn't that be true for f the pre staged s&ws also? I mean how do you get a round in the chamber without racking the slide? Which is the method that the hammer is pre staged?
TIA

You are correct!

As the politicians like to say, "I wasn't wrong. I Misspoke!"

Actually, I was wrong to say the first shot would be "full stroke" double action as demonstrated by your observation that a pistol must have its slide manipulated to chamber a round.

Thanks for the clarification.

John

 

[quikdraw67]

Ok. Checked my 2008 vintage 3953TSW with Springfield markings and Product Code 404541 is NOT Double Strike Capable. Cant say anything about the UCV group that looks like 579x-589x range 2013-2015 production from Houlton ME

So the one up for auction is either

A) a from the factory true DAO unicorn

Or

B) Someone altered it along the way.

Interesting. If it was $750 I'd say what the hell and go for it, and request a letter.


Let's see if anyone bites. If not, maybe it will relist at a lower price.

 

[ACEd]

So the one up for auction is either

A) a from the factory true DAO unicorn

Or

B) Someone altered it along the way.

Interesting. If it was $750 I'd say what the hell and go for it, and request a letter.


Let's see if anyone bites. If not, maybe it will relist at a lower price.

Have to agree, coding on my 3953TSW with NO Double Strike Capability is FS AA DA.

For the heck of it, I also checked my NYPD 5946 UCU prefix dated 2013 by SW from Houlton, ME and it is also NOT Double Strike Capable.

And the current listing which is being dissected is a relist, possibly a second relist at same price - and on checking the poor box end picture of the current list, I believe it is the same pistol I recorded which was listed previously as UCV58xx in my previous photo (same green sticker in same place with turned up edge). That would bring the possible count of UCV 579x-589x down to 3 sightings 2 with 3197 date codes and one with 111415 date code - wish I could remember what UCV58xx went for.

 

[quikdraw67]

This picture?

 

[ACEd]

Picture of UCV58xx box end from June 2021 - Cant remember source - possibly GB. Picture of UCV5897 from current listing - note position and edge of green sticker on left and turned up bottom of label under "9mm" Cant tell for sure , but culd be same pistol or not.

 

[quikdraw67]

The SCSW lists to product codes for the 3953TSW "9Tactical."

104541 with features DAO, FS (stainless color), AA (alloy frame), SB (Black Blade front sight) , NLC (Novak Low Carry Sight), ER (Equipment Rail).

404541 noted as "DA Special." That's the product code on the box with the gun for sale. Does DA Special indicate yet another small production run of guns with special features?

One more fun fact. This might have been a LE gun as the picture of gun in the box with accessories show a total of three magazines, which is how LE guns were shipped.

Another 3rd Generation mystery.

I was wondering about the 3 mags as well.

I'd love know, as Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story.

I have a local LGS/friend who is part of the SWCA who says it's a possible "clean up" gun, using up whatever S&W had on hand to make complete pistols.

S&W is like the old Swift Meat Packing saying, "Every part of the pig but the squeal".

 

[quikdraw67]

Auction ended and relisted at the same price.

I guess the seller never heard about the definition of insanity.

Well, good luck. I'm out.

 

[ACEd]

Auction ended and relisted at the same price.

I guess the seller never heard about the definition of insanity.

Well, good luck. I'm out.

If I am not mistaken the listing that just ended was a relist at same price - so this is the third time. Guess he figures hes got something special, not something modified and therefore less desirable to many like me.

 

[ACEd]

Regarding Double Strike Capability on 3953TSW:

There is a 3953TSW reported to be Double Strike Capable currently listed you know where UCV5897 P/N 404541 Code 3197 Houlton, ME (2013?)

My 3953TSW BAW65xx P/N 404541 dated by SW as 2008 Springfield, Ma is NOT Double Strike Capable

New data point, another 3953TSW UCU4109 (circa 2013) Houlton, ME also currently listed you know where is also NOT Double Strike Capable

I realize this is not conclusive, but one might reasonably infer the one which is Double Strike Capable likely did not come from the factory that way and probably has been modified. Probably the only way to confirm this would be a Letter from Roy or a tear down to see if the modification as described previously is apparent or if the innerds are 3914DAO parts.

 

[quikdraw67]

If I am not mistaken the listing that just ended was a relist at same price - so this is the third time. Guess he figures hes got something special, not something modified and therefore less desirable to many like me.

Relisted at the same price again.

Something about the definition of insanity comes to mind.

LOL

 

[GaryS]

Maybe. I had an Enfield No. 5 Mk1 listed at the same price for months. Then someone looking for one came along and bought it.

With guns and accessories, some times it just requires patience.

Relisted at the same price again.

Something about the definition of insanity comes to mind.

LOL

 

[quikdraw67]

Maybe. I had an Enfield No. 5 Mk1 listed at the same price for months. Then someone looking for one came along and bought it.

With guns and accessories, some times it just requires patience.

Perhaps. I'll keep it on my watch list.

 

[ACEd]

Perhaps. I'll keep it on my watch list.

Its on my Watch List too - just to see if someone is crazy enough to buy it at that price and to see if there is any more info on double strike capability (modification?).

Personally I think its a modification based on info posted here incl my pistol with same SKU and NO double strike capability and I would devalue it unless I knew who had done the modification.

But maybe thats partly why he keeps it up - if there are several of us watching, he thinks he has a really valuable pistol and it is likely to sell.

 

[rosewood]

Except for my 4053 (DAO, semi-cock if you would), all of my other 3rd Gen S&Ws (TDA) have second strike capability. Also, my Taurus PT101, Sig P229 and Sig P220. Seems most any of the guns that have the decock capability built in will second strike.

Rosewood

 

[quikdraw67]

Except for my 4053 (DAO, semi-cock if you would), all of my other 3rd Gen S&Ws (TA/DA) have second strike capability. Also, my Taurus PT101, Sig P229 and Sig P220. Seems most any of the guns that have the decock capability built in will second strike.

Rosewood

The only "true" DA only pistol S&W made with 2nd strike capability was the 3914DAO, specifically for the NYPD.

The pistol in question is either a unicorn, which is doubtful. More likely it's been modified from firing like your 4053 to firing like a 3914DAO. So it's likely a horse with an ice cream cone stuck to its head.

 

[ACEd]

Except for my 4053 (DAO, semi-cock if you would), all of my other 3rd Gen S&Ws (TA/DA) have second strike capability. Also, my Taurus PT101, Sig P229 and Sig P220. Seems most any of the guns that have the decock capability built in will second strike.

Rosewood

My understanding from earlier posts in this thread is virtually all 3rd Gen TDA (DA/SA) have double strike capability.

The question here is primarily whether a 3rd gen DAO might have factory double strike capability - and the consensus is NO, with the exception of the 3914DAO.

The particular gun is being advertised as a 3953TSW with double strike capability. My 3953TSW with the same SKU does not have double strike capability. And the consensus here seems to be that the subject pistol is most likely an owner mod as described above.

Furthermore the pistol is starting at a premium price well above $800 but with no bids in 3 listings so far. To me if it were documented as a factory special with double strike, that would add to value.

But if unknown pedigree - customized by unknown person, that would devalue the pistol and I would not purchase even at a much lower price unless I planned to have one of the known experts here check it over.

 

[JohnHL]

Just to be clear, the CS "D" models are also DAO "double strike".

Not just the 3914DAO.

John

 

[quikdraw67]

Just to be clear, the CS "D" models are also DAO "double strike".

Not just the 3914DAO.

John

Thank you, my bad.