Dumb and dumber ...

-db-, you have a good point there. I recall many a hunting story where well know gun writers talked about sitting around the fire in the evening and enjoying a nice glass of bourbon.
Alcohol in moderation and with a little common sense never has been a problem. Even when guns were involved.
However, the times have changed. I think largely due to the crack down on DUIs over the last 10-15 years. These days even trace amounts in your system can get you in big trouble. And it has helped, DUIs are down considerably and that is a good thing.
But the whole attitude towards alcohol has changed too. Where once upon a time a drink among shooting buddies was a fine way to end the day., today total abstinence is much more acceptable. Better safe than sorry.
 
If I've learned one thing, it's assured that the Anti-2A crowd will never stop spewing nonsense when it comes to firearms and gun owners. After using the firing range, lock the guns up, and have dinner and a drink at the clubhouse. Drive home sober. Everybody has a good time, and nobody gets hurt. There is no problem, as long as everyone acts like an adult. The Anti crowd can urinate up a rope.
 
Well hell, I got all kinds of liquor in my house, guns,knives, cars, motorcycles too.
I have enough black powder to make a pretty good bang .
I'm probably not safe here... And the neighbours? I'm sorry, but it's every man for themselves.
Lift your skirt and run!

I see no problem at all with this . We are adults.
At our range, during shooting events there is no liquor allowed until the red flag comes down, that means everybody.
once the flag comes down Yeehaww :)
 
I appreciate the feedback, pro and con. While the establishment in question may very well plan to have a well regulated cafe, completely separate from the range, my point is the perception it gives the general public. Remember the recent thread about two idiots going into a restaurant with long guns exposed? We as a group (myself included) condemned those twin idiots as casting a bad light on the lawful firearm owners who don't aspire to mall ninjadom. Thanks to clowns like them, the negative perception of gun owners continues to proliferate ... despite them being within their legal rights to do what they did. Now, how would we feel if those morons rolled into our gun club cafe and started drinking? I can honestly say that I would be chagrinned by the perception that all gun owners are imbeciles who want to drink and shoot stuff up.

Irrespective of how legal a booze joint and gun range pairing is, my thought is that it looks contradictory, and offers up a potential for lots of problems.
 
Personally......

Personally, I'm not for it but who listens to what I say. If they can do it without problems it's not against the law.

I think there are a lot of possible ways to promote shooting sports. I don't have any good ideas now, though.

Addendum - I hear of some controlled situations here that have a good chance of working. But when dealing with the general public, there are those that get aggressive and lose their judgement. Alcohol and guns don't mix isn't a new concept because there have always been people that get drunk and cause trouble, bullets fly and people get hurt or killed. Why did saloons require people to check their guns at the door???
 
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How many detectives do you suppose go to bars to drink and get info? I worked with one on his second career with me. I think he started just before world war two and retired in the early-mid 60s.He did like to drink. He once told me that his commander, chief/captain?, got on his case for drinking on the job. He told him back I cant get any info in sunday school. Yes, I also read what -db- reported too. I dont even drink and here it looks like I am defending it.
 
-db- said:
It's amazing mankind has survived thus far with all this stuff we used to do.
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More amazing if we survive after all the anti this and pro that groups have their da in the sun.

As for use of alcohol to calm your nerves.

A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak. After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I take a sip." So the next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon return to his office after mass he found the following note on his door:

Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
There are 10 commandments, not 12.
There are 12 disciples, not 10.
Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ***.
We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy, Junior, and Spook.
David slew Goliath, he did not kick the **** out of him.
When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey, don't say he was stoned off his ***.
We do not refer to the cross as the big T!
When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take this and eat it, for it is my body", he did not say ,"Eat me."
The Virgin Mary is not referred to as the "Mary with the cherry."
The reccomended grace before a meal is not:"Rub-Adub-dub, thanks for the grub, yeah God."
Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling contest at St Peter's, not a peter pulling contest at St. Taffy's.
 
I've never used alcohol before or during shooting. It just seems to me, that implying that if someone who drinks is a drunk, is the same as implying that someone who has a gun is a criminal. There are plenty of people in this country who would ban guns, and plenty who would ban alcohol. There are those who would wreck your life for drinking and driving, even though you never caused a wreck, or showed any signs of wrecklessness. They mean well, but they are all tyrants. I know many of these tyrants have lost loved ones from alcohol, cars, or guns. I DON'T CARE. These morons get publicity for their crusades by sympathetic media, who are looking for a story. A range with alcohol close by, really isn't any worse than a liquor store with a drive through window.
 
There are a LOT of duck camps out in the marsh where firearms and liquor are stored under the same roof. Every camp I have been to has a pretty strict albeit unwritten code regarding the use of each, which if violated means you just don't ever get to go back.
At our camp we've been hunting together for going on 40 years and pretty much know what each is thinking before the thinker does. Rules are unwritten and pretty straightforward-once you start drinking leave the guns alone, no cheatin' at cards, can only smoke on the front porch, clean up after your dog if he craps in the camp and use the Febreeze before you leave the head.
 
Random thoughts....

Trying to appease the perceptions of others is what the evil black gun AWB is all about. It's what OC bans are all about. It's what "high capacity" magazine bans are about. It's what suppressor bans are about... on and on and on... I am not the least bit interested in appeasing the perceptions of others in this regard. It gets gun owners nowhere other than to the next appeasement.

As far a booze and guns at that facility... My guess is that no guns will be operated while drinking, but many cars in the parking lot will.

Lot's of Tennesseans, including many gun owners, freaked out over Guns in Bars legislation. Despite all the handwringing and predictions of doom the legislation passed anyway. It's been four years... yawn.
 
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I'm assuming the range, like the bar, will be monitored. I also assume their insurance company will look down on any hint of alcohol at the range. Perhaps the person monitoring the range will ask each person if they have had anything to drink. If the answer is yes, or there's an odor on their breath, they are required to take a breathalyzer (we all know what those are). Blow numbers, come back later. Quick, easy way to ensure compliance.
 
So..........
does that make Trap Clubs with a full bar a bad thing ?

In Sporting Clay's, I thought the golf chart was for carrying a case of beer while you went around the course and shot 100 rounds?

I know a lot of guys that like a few "Group Tightener's " before they shoot.
 
Years ago when I was shooting pistol competitively, there were a number of guys who advocated taking a shot or two to "relax the nerves" before shooting. I believe Col. Charlie Askins Jr. was one of those people. He was never politically correct, and called 'em as he saw 'em. I wouldn't argue, he was once the national pistol champ.

Personally, I've never taken liquor before or during a shooting session. I will tell you that once when I was mightily hungry before a pistol match, I ate a sandwich just before stepping on the line. I shot some of my best scores in that session. Perhaps the ingestion of nourishment relieved some nervousness, I don't know. But it worked!

John
 
Way back when I was shooting a lot of trap,it was accepted that there was beer in the club house for afterwards.As far as a nip for nerves, at 170 lbs,I found that half a beer helped and one beer! messed with my reflexes.
 
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Just wondering

For those who pontificate-absolute no-no argument-no waste of energy or thought-
Exactly how far away from a range should alcoholic beverages be located?
What other stipulations should be made?
How long after a drink should someone wait to shoot?
In Colorado you can use dope-can someone smoke a joint in their car, then shoot on the range?
Who will check this "stuff"?
 
11B Lifer said:
For those who pontificate-absolute no-no argument-no waste of energy or thought-
Exactly how far away from a range should alcoholic beverages be located?
What other stipulations should be made?
How long after a drink should someone wait to shoot?
In Colorado you can use dope-can someone smoke a joint in their car, then shoot on the range?
Who will check this "stuff"?
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I stated an opinion in one word which meant I think this case represents a bad idea. But I also know that though I've thought through my reasons long since (I spent most of my 54-year working life helping people pick up pieces in messy situations), there is no point laying them out here for those who get angry and defensive.

I'll leave it to others to do the legalistic thinking about it.
 
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