Easy slide release?

[Smoke]

I thought you were better than this. Calling someone a liar when clearly they are not, is beneath you and not in the nature of this forum.

I didn't call anyone a liar. I said that the poster was being intellectually dishonest to twist the words in the manual to say something it doesn't say

On page 17 the manual says to load the weapon by inserting the magazine, pulling the the slide to the rear and releasing it.

On page 21 the manual says to unload the weapon by locking the slide to the rear with the slide stop and to to visually inspect the chamber (it says to drop the magazine in a different paragraph).

Nowhere does the manual say or suggest or imply that you should drop the slide by using the slide stop. It doesn't say you shouldn't either but it does tell you specifically to do it a different way.

IMO it is intellectually dishonest to say that the manual somehow condones using the slide stop to release the slide.

For those who say a person CAN'T or SHOULDN'T use the slide stop to release the slide, tell us why.

I use the slingshot method because it works on every handgun I own. I also do it because I can do it without changing the grip on my firing hand while keeping my weapon pointed down range and because it's easier than trying to manipulate that tiny little slide stop.

 

[Rastoff]

He said:

And nowhere does it suggest you shouldn't.

Then you said:

Nowhere does the manual say or suggest or imply that you should drop the slide by using the slide stop. It doesn't say you shouldn't either but it does tell you specifically to do it a different way.

But he's intellectually dishonest?

By the way, the definition of dishonest is lying or untruthful. Placing the word "intellectually" in front of it doesn't change the definition.

 

[Smoke]

He said:Then you said:But he's intellectually dishonest?

By the way, the definition of dishonest is lying or untruthful. Placing the word "intellectually" in front of it doesn't change the definition.

Duly Noted

 

[DavidWJ]

The Kahr operating manual indicates that a round is chambered by pulling down on the slide stop. Pulling back on the slide and releasing it is not recommended for charging the pistol.

Note that forcefully inserting the magazine when the slide is back will charge a Kahr pistol, everytime.

 

[Steve912]

Then you can release the slide by any of the following methods for a right handed shooter:

1. The tactically recommended overhand slide sling although it is slower than other methods and requires two hands, which may not always be available. Takes maximum amount of time to reacquire a firing grip.

Please to explain why you alter your firing grip, when using this technique.

 

[CB3]

Please to explain why you alter your firing grip, when using this technique.

To reacquire a two handed firing grip. Sorry.

 

[MP1SG]

My slide lock has loosened up to the point where I can release the slide using the slide lock.
I'll agree that using the "slingshot" method is the most positive way to release the slide. I think its equally important to know how to release the slide using the slide lock, in the event you need to employ One handed drills.

REGARDLESS as long as the gun gets loaded, does it really matter how that loading process happens? For training purposes I have placed my pistol (M&P 45) on the ground stepped on the lower part of the grip, which raises the gun off the ground just enough so I can pull the slide back to release it to feed another round. My point is in a desperate situation do what ever it take to get the gun loaded.
1SG
Out

 

[Bkreutz]

I can't use the overhand method on my guns for obvious reasons (the sight gets in the way )

 

[CB3]

In the OP the poster states that he can't manipulate the slide lever and asks for alternative solutions. So in his case the catastrophic result is he's stuck with a weapon he can't load.

OR, he can adjust the slide stop so he can load it.

In the case of you SLAMMING the magazine home to force the slide to close, I've had competent gun smiths tell me that's a good way to break the extractor which, of course, will take you out of the fight. I also question what's going to happen the one time you have to do it with some one shooting at you And. It. Doesn't. Work?

A broken extractor may not take you out of the fight. Many blowback (vs. tilt barrel) designs have no extractor. They rely on the pressure of the next round in the mag to force the recoiling empty shell out of the way. I twice had broken extractors on tilt barrel KelTecs I owned and did not know it until the last round fired and stove piped instead of ejecting properly.

In any case, when you have a failure with your gun, whether it is to load, eject, fire or whatever, you do the Appropriate. Immediate. Action. Drill. What do you do when the overhand sling shot method doesn't work? Tap (actually, forcefully seat the mag), Rack the slide, and try to fire again. If THAT doesn't work, there is a follow up procedure, or, run away.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Something has to lock the slide back after the last round. So it is indeed a slide STOP. To release the slide with the slide LOCK is a byproduct of the design.

People that don't know what their talking about fail to realize that there are other reasons to condition yourself to use the slide instead of the slide stop. See the vid.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug[/ame]

To PROPERLY clear a malfuction you MUST rack the slide. Chambering a round and using the slide to do so builds muscle memory.

Also, I hate over size slide stops. I shoot thumbs forward and my right thumb puts too much pressure on the slide stop. The slide doesn't lock back after the last round.

If people come here to learn it is our responsibility to teach them the right way. And this IS the right way.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I can't use the overhand method on my guns for obvious reasons (the sight gets in the way )

Not exactly self defense pistols . . .

 

[zymurgeist]

So what catastrophe will occur by releasing the slide with the lever?


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You'll increase wear between the slide lock and the slide. Then when it become sufficiently worn the universe end as we know it.

 

[rwsmith]

I don't use the lock as a release......

....but I suppose if my left arm were shot off, I'd try to use the lock as a release or rack it with my teeth.

 

[Smoke]

Interestingly enough I never said that sling shotting was the way to release the slide. I never advotcated one way or the other. I said the manual says to sling shot the slide.

On the M&P ( because this is the M&P sub forum Not the Glock sub forum or the H&K sub forum) the slide stop is really small, really stiff and really hard to manipulate The OP says he can't do it and asked for an alternative.

I suggest as an alternative that you do what the manual says.

If you don't care to do that, don't

I'm done.

 

[manderle]

I'm guessing that with enough wear, the slide lock back will quit functioning

 

[Rastoff]

A broken extractor may not take you out of the fight. Many blowback (vs. tilt barrel) designs have no extractor.

Did you mean to say ejector? I've never seen a semi-auto without an extractor.

 

[Rastoff]

Something has to lock the slide back after the last round.

Why?


Also, that video, as excellent as it is, has nothing to do with this thread. This isn't about malfunction clearance, it's about dropping the slide. Notice that at no time in that video did he mention the slide stop. The only part that even had anything to do with the slide stop is when he said there's no reason to lock the slide open on a type III malfunction.

 

[zymurgeist]

Did you mean to say ejector? I've never seen a semi-auto without an extractor.

The Beretta 3032 Tomcat has no extractor. So they do exist.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Why?


Also, that video, as excellent as it is, has nothing to do with this thread. This isn't about malfunction clearance, it's about dropping the slide. Notice that at no time in that video did he mention the slide stop. The only part that even had anything to do with the slide stop is when he said there's no reason to lock the slide open on a type III malfunction.

Did you read my entire post? Every word?

Muscle memory. It's a good habit.

I thought that you of all people would get it.

 

[Rastoff]

The Beretta 3032 Tomcat has no extractor. So they do exist.

OK, so how does it get the spent casing out of the chamber?