EDC Tips

[biku324]

Of course. But there is a midpoint between Pollyanna and 'you're gonna DIE!'. Officer survival training as delivered often goes too far. And yes, I've had state general, firearms, baton, O/C, legal and high-risk police instructor certifications from 1983 through 2012.

I'll give a specific example...an officer I knew had recently attended LEA officer survival instructor training stopped me for 50 in a 55 mph zone (yup - he wasn't aware of traffic laws concerning speed on nonposted rural roads). He stopped his car with good positioning, cut the wheels hard left (to block incoming fire from me), and very slowly approached me on the right, hand on his pistol. I lowered the right window.

He asked for registration, license, and insurance - I handed them to his left hand (he hadn't removed his right from his pistol), discussed the speed issue, and he slowly retreated backward to his car, hand on his weapon. After 5 minutes or so he returned, same as the initial approach, told me to "...just watch my speed," and backed cautiously away, waiting until I left to circle behind his car, open the door with his left hand then got in.

I am bald, well over 60, was wearing a suit and tie, and had just left a teaching gig at the International Law Enforcement Academy.

 

[Smoke]

After you come home from a long day at work and pull all of your gear off and pile it on the dresser your going to ask yourself why your doing this. That’s ok, just make sure you put all that gear back on the next morning.

How much "Gear" are you carrying?

 

[smoothshooter]

Seven years of EDC, and remember the unnecessary concern at the beginning about my carry choice "printing". The public are generally oblivious to such things, and with the holstered giant cell phones so common, I really could have carried a full-frame unnoticed.

The general public is disappointingly unobservant of their surroundings and the people close by. About the only ones who you have to worry about in some cases are current and former law-enforcement.

 

[sigp220.45]

Of course. But there is a midpoint between Pollyanna and 'you're gonna DIE!'. Officer survival training as delivered often goes too far. And yes, I've had state general, firearms, baton, O/C, legal and high-risk police instructor certifications from 1983 through 2012.

I'll give a specific example...an officer I knew had recently attended LEA officer survival instructor training stopped me for 50 in a 55 mph zone (yup - he wasn't aware of traffic laws concerning speed on nonposted rural roads). He stopped his car with good positioning, cut the wheels hard left (to block incoming fire from me), and very slowly approached me on the right, hand on his pistol. I lowered the right window.

He asked registration, license, and insurance - I handed them to his left hand (he hadn't removed his right from his pistol), discussed the speed issue, and he slowly retreated backward to his car, hand on his weapon. After 5 minutes or so he returned, same as the initial approach, told me to "...just watch my speed," and backed cautiously away, waiting until I left to circle behind his car, open the door with his left hand then got in.

I am bald, well over 60, was wearing a suit and tie, and had just left a teaching gig at the International Law Enforcement Academy.

We had a young guy come to Farmington (NM) as his first assignment. He was a great guy and I love him to death and we are still friends but he came from a job with the Department of Energy where he and his boys escorted nuclear material around the country. Those dudes were all “shoot first, no questions please”.

I went to do a knock & talk on a guy who may/may not have molested a kid or two. The idea of a knock and talk is to TALK - the knock part just gets you to the talk part.

My boy showed up to accompany me in a full rig-out: vest, mag carrier, tourniquets, packets of that bleed-stop stuff, a walkie talkie, flashlights (one is none……) and a similarly-burdened M-4. There was a pistol or two there somewhere as well.

I was in my full rig-out: Aloha shirt over a Simpson’s tee, jeans, and a .45 Sig in my waistband. I had my cell phone and a Monster Energy Drink as it was in the am.

I told him I appreciated him being ready to protect the old fella (I really did) but his gear might be at cross-purpose to our goal. He was a big Viking kid who could bench press our car.

I got him to leave the rifle and most of the gear. We did the knock and talk and the guy incriminated himself pretty badly and he probably died in prison later.

Had the guy gotten obstreperous my pal could have just beaten him to death with the toaster.

There is a time and place for everything, but I prefer a cop who can think a lot and shoot a little.

 

[Old Corp]

Reference Calibre Press' Street Survival Books and seminars - don't know about any 'staged' portions of the publications.....

They profiled a deadly force incident I was involved in, complete with photos from an independent photographer who used to submit his work to the newspaper in our city (yes, it was that long ago - newspaper)

It was cutting edge stuff for a time when training for many agencies was minimal, at best.
I've attended a seminar done by them, as well as in-house and out-of-house Officer Survival schools.

I was very appreciative of the education and exposure.
I also credit it with actually helping me make it to the 30-year mark and receive the blessing of retirement.

 

[Dusty Miller]

"Don’t put your pistol on top of the toilet paper dispenser." And where do you put yours?

 

[Dusty Miller]

"carry one in the chamber" HO-CHEE-MAMA!! Why'n hell would you not?!!

 

[snubbyfan]

"Don’t put your pistol on top of the toilet paper dispenser." And where do you put yours?

I leave mine in my holster hangin' on my belt.

 

[Karnivore]

What would Gecko45 do?

 

[biku324]

We had a young guy come to Farmington (NM) as his first assignment. He was a great guy and I love him to death and we are still friends but he came from a job with the Department of Energy where he and his boys escorted nuclear material around the country. Those dudes were all “shoot first, no questions please”.

I went to do a knock & talk on a guy who may/may not have molested a kid or two. The idea of a knock and talk is to TALK - the knock part just gets you to the talk part.

My boy showed up to accompany me in a full rig-out: vest, mag carrier, tourniquets, packets of that bleed-stop stuff, a walkie talkie, flashlights (one is none……) and a similarly-burdened M-4. There was a pistol or two there somewhere as well.

I was in my full rig-out: Aloha shirt over a Simpson’s tee, jeans, and a .45 Sig in my waistband. I had my cell phone and a Monster Energy Drink as it was in the am.

I told him I appreciated him being ready to protect the old fella (I really did) but his gear might be at cross-purpose to our goal. He was a big Viking kid who could bench press our car.

I got him to leave the rifle and most of the gear. We did the knock and talk and the guy incriminated himself pretty badly and he probably died in prison later.

Had the guy gotten obstreperous my pal could have just beaten him to death with the toaster.

There is a time and place for everything, but I prefer a cop who can think a lot and shoot a little.

My first Lieutenant in Gallup. John Toney, had a reverse 'knock and talk.' He was just waking up when a Navajo dude knocked on his trailerhouse door in Gamerco. He slipped on a tshirt, his jeans, and his M19 and opened the door a bit to find out what the guy wanted - he said, "You're the State Police, right?". The Lt said yes, then the guy said, "I just killed my wife a couple of hours ago." Toney looked him over, and then said, "Well, we'd better have some coffee," invited him in, had his wife make coffee and breakfast.

After they ate, Toney told, "Well, let me read you this (Miranda) and then you can tell me whatever you want." He read the guy his warnings, the murderer spilled his story, then off they went to jail.

I'm sure the Street Survival folks would disapprove.

 

[Rustyt1953]

What would Gecko45 do?

Duct tape and ceramic plates.

 

[BE Mike]

My first Lieutenant in Gallup. John Toney, had a reverse 'knock and talk.' He was just waking up when a Navajo dude knocked on his trailerhouse door in Gamerco. He slipped on a tshirt, his jeans, and his M19 and opened the door a bit to find out what the guy wanted - he said, "You're the State Police, right?". The Lt said yes, then the guy said, "I just killed my wife a couple of hours ago." Toney looked him over, and then said, "Well, we'd better have some coffee," invited him in, had his wife make coffee and breakfast.

After they ate, Toney told, "Well, let me read you this (Miranda) and then you can tell me whatever you want." He read the guy his warnings, the murderer spilled his story, then off they went to jail.

I'm sure the Street Survival folks would disapprove.

I doubt it, but those officers also have been there and done that. They aren't just working on some book theories. Looks like your lieutenant was armed when he answered the door and handled the situation as it developed. I'm pretty sure that most mentally prepared cops who have been in armed encounters haven't used deadly force in response. Being mentally prepared doesn't mean one shoots first and asks questions later.