Ever bought a firearm formerly used in the commission of a crime?

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a crime gun, especially if it's a good deal. I know the history of some of my guns, and some I don't. My S&W .32 was won by my dad in a poker game. My Colt .38 Army Special came from an auction. I wonder what kind of previous life they had?
 
I don't ask my hammers or axes where they have been, and i feel the same about my guns. They're tools. If they work i really don't care how someone used them before me.
 
My very first Smith & Wesson was used in a homicide in the 1970's in my home town. My late Father was the Department Armory for the Sheriff's Department that he and I worked for. It was in the evidence vault for many years. I don't know all the details and want to keep it that way.
 
I don't think that I have any but, I do have some auction and pawn shop guns that I really don't know much about.
 
Some possible input: I have worked my department's burglary/theft and robbery/homicide detective squads, then ran our crime lab, too. I have been to lots of crime and suicide scenes, search warrants, arrests, etc.

I would guess that suicides outnumber homicides 10 or 20 to 1 in most jurisdictions, and firearms are used in anywhere from 25% to 75% of suicides in any given year and part of the country. Homicide weapons aren't always recovered, while suicide weapons practically always are. I would guess that the big majority of the guns with "bio" tags or blue eaten by blood were used in suicides, not homicides.

A big portion of the other evidence guns are stolen items recovered from criminals, found in search warrants and such, but the police departments are unable to locate the owners/victims to return them, because so few people record the serial numbers of their guns, let alone their other property. If they aren't listed on the nationwide crime data base, NCIC, or matched up through some kind of investigation, the department keeps them and either sells, trades issues or destroys them, depending on where and who.

I kept an informal track on stolen guns mentioned in burglary reports for a good while. In less than 10% of stolen guns incidents (percentage of the guns reported stolen) did the victim find and submit the serial number, either initially or later. The average victim will say something like, "It was a pistol, a Colt or Smith and Weston, some kinda .38. I can tell mine from any others, if you find it, because it has a big scratch on the handle," or some such. A lot of victimized gun owners assume they can call the store where they bought it 10 or 20 years ago and the store can or will find the number and give it to the caller over the phone. Not very likely.

I am sure the percentages of stolen, recorded serial numbers is far higher in places that have gun registration laws, but even in areas like that, some folks didn't acquire the gun in a gun shop or store and/or just never register them.

Man, am I wordy!

I have one gun I know was a suicide gun. It was a scarce S&W, on consignment in a gun shop, put there by the survivors' family, who needed the money. Box and all papers. Dead guy bought it new just beforehand and tested the function by putting one round into the ground first; just shot two rounds in total. It got cleaned promptly, apparently, as there are only 2 or 3 really, really small bare specks where the blue was gone. It had a small "F" carved in the bottom of one grip half. A year later, when I joined the sheriffs office I still work for, I found the "F" was the marking of the detective who handled the case. I don't know why they felt it necessary to 'mark' an item that already had a serial number, but that's the way they did things back then. I remember on Perry Mason episodes, Lt. Tragg often testified, when questioned by D.A. Hamilton Burger, the gun in evidence was the right one because, he always said, "It has my mark on it."

Yes, I am old.

Like others have said, guns have no will of their own, they are neither good nor evil. I am not morbid enough to seek out guns with such histories, but if I want a particular make, model and variation of one, and the price and condition are acceptable, I'd buy it.
 
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Confiscated Police guns later released back to the market without any history about it is all speculation on the new owners part. It could have been taken from the hands of a Serial Killer or a Deadbeat Dad. When people see blood stains or finishes eaten away by (assuming blood) the worse allways come to mind. The former owner could have been a little sloppy when hunting. Than somehow have a run-in with the law. Years ago a friend and I were deer hunting and during the field dress process he unzipped his suit a little bit and out plopped his .38 into the chest cavity of the deer. Somehow in the activity it worked away from his holster. It was immediatly covered in blood. I as a supportive friend LOL!
 
I don't know why they felt it necessary to 'mark' an item that already had a serial number, but that's the way they did things back then. I remember on Perry Mason episodes, Lt. Tragg often testified, when questioned by D.A. Hamilton Burger, the gun in evidence was the right one because, he always said, "It has my mark on it."
I'm a big fan of those old Perry Mason shows too.

About the investigating officer marking a gun:
My guess is that it was a carryover from the days before serial numbers were required on firearms. As well, criminals will often file the s/n off a gun, so perhaps the police just got used to allways marking one, whether it needed it or not, to ensure that they could positively identify it in court.
 
Let's see if I can remember: RG 38, man murdered wife, Revelation .410 shotgun, guy shot down in the street in front of me before I could stop the perp, (I recently wrote about this one) I frame S&W .38 S&W cal. (with stags) only used to kill one lawyer who got caught cheating on his wife back in the 50's, S&W mod 38 that was used to kill a guy who was trying to kill me in 1971, (not used by me) several murder knives and the infamous "machete of death" that once was used to hack a man to death. (37 times) These are inanimate objects used by whoever for whatever. The prior ownership of them don't bother me. All of these weapons were seized over 30 years ago. After the trial was over they went wherever, most of the time to the judge. I got the I frame from the grandson of a judge.

I haven't kept a gun used in a crime in over 20 years. We are now required by the state auditors office to log in every firearm seized. They are then auctioned and the money goes back to the county. That does not apply to found guns. An example of that is several years ago a partner and I went into a bar having been tipped a convicted felon was in there carrying. We shook him down and relieved him of his weapon and later charged him with carrying after a felony conviction. I made the mistake of saying "I wonder who else is carrying in here?" You could here them hitting the floor. I picked up six that nobody claimed. One of them was a real nice model 10 that I still have. Occassionally a "widow" who wants to "get a gun out of the house" will call. Whoever answers the call gets the gun.
 
Unless the blood is still dripping off of it, it isn't something that I'd be bothered about. HIV doesn't live long ouside of the body, but if a gun is really clotted up with blood and it bothers you, just clean it off with some alcohol or bleach spray - let sit for fifteen minutes and then flush with regular water. The latter is bad for the finish but is a good way to decontaminate things.
 
Bought a 4 inch 686 that was a police confiscation. I have no idea what kind of crime it was used in but no bios were on the gun. There was remnants of duct tape all over the smooth targets . I refinished them and man do I have a nice Smith now. Since I was not the perp I have no reservations about owning the gun.

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Here is a S&W model 657-4 that was purchased from a local Police supplier. I don't know the story behind it, but you can still see the evidence tape, and parts of an evidence tag on the box.
Since it came with the box I doubt it was used in an actual crime. It was probably confiscated for an unknow reason, :confused: and never claimed.
The 657 appears to be unfired. :)
The revolver came from Shiawassee County Michigan.
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I had a M36 stolen from me, used in an assault, & then was returned by police. That was 30 years ago, though - prolly never see it again these days!
 
I got a look at some of those guns yesterday. Any reservation I might have had hit the bricks once I saw a few. I was like a kid in a candy store and he had them priced right. Pretty nice hammerless lemon squeezer priced at $200 to me along with some other fine examples. He opens in three hours and I plan on being first in line.
 
Maybe I'm just superstitious, but I would think there's some bad karma attached to that gun. It's kind of irrational but I wouldn't want it. And I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. I know a guy who's brother commited suicide using his off duty gun. When the investigation was done and he got it back he immediately tried to sell it and had a real hard time getting rid of it. I think he wound up basically giving it away.

Granted I also own a M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and Walther P-38 that are all World War 2 vintage. There's a real good chance each of those weapons has a body count. But they weren't used in to commit crimes and I don't know for sure that they were even fired in anger. For all I know they banged around in a truck at Fort Dix or were kept in some German Colonel's desk drawer.

So, no, I personally would not want a criminal's old gun. I'm amazed that they actually resell them. I thought that a gun used in a crime would be destroyed after it was no longer needed for evidence.
Would you be upset if you found that a screwdriver you had had been used to break into a soda machine? That a car you bought used had been the vehicle to transport a kidnap or rape victim? The gun was a tool. Nothing more.

I have a Browning HP that was stolen from a dealer and recovered in NYC and returned to the dealer (now out of business) who sold it to my dealer from whom I bought it. It is a nice gun and I got it at a better price due to what appears to be a witness mark.
 
The same line of reasoning could be applied to other things besides guns. How many of us worry about our used car purchase being a hit and run killer? Inanimate objects carry no responsibilty...only the people using them.
I didn't see this before I posted. I guess great minds think alike...
 
Many people probably have and don't know it. Lots of guns with initials crudely scratched in them were done by evidence officers who collected them. If you ever bought a gun with a number that was etched into it
( 98-1234 etc.) that was probably the complaint or case number and the gun was used in a crime. It is not uncommon for police agencies to trade lots of evidence guns and confiscated guns (some were seized from convicted felons) for Glocks, shotguns , etc. Lots of crime guns get to the market that way. They dont bother me, it's just like I tell the antigunners, I blame the crook not the gun.
 

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