Evidence, and Court Ordered Asset Forfeiture, Marked Firearms

[EEResQ]

As the thread title suggests, this thread is for the discussion of "Evidence, and Court Ordered Asset Forfeiture, Marked Firearms." Post images of your S&W firearms here. Please include relevant information concerning the firearms you submit. Also feel free to ask questions about yours, or others', marked firearms.

 

[EEResQ]

While I have yet to determine the jurisdiction, here's what I have found concerning this 3" S&W Model 65-3 which bears AF 11-1213 Exh 1 MMN . One fact I have confirmed is this... Firearms marked like this have been subjected to asset forfeiture proceedings in state courts.

AF = Asset Forfeiture
11 = 2011 (Year the case was initiated.)
1213 = Sequential case number of that year.
Exh 1 = Exhibit No. 1
MMN = Initials of case judge or court clerk.
If anyone can add to this information; please advise.
Also, let's see your similarly marked firearms.
Thanks!

 

[MajorD]

Looking forward to more posts here. A unique genre to be sure. I recall in the last couple years a large number of guns with evidence numbers etched on them were released from police inventory in Puerto Rico - outfits like Aim surplus sold a bunch most in very rough rusty condition

 

[EEResQ]

Looking forward to more posts here. A unique genre to be sure. I recall in the last couple years a large number of guns with evidence numbers etched on them were released from police inventory in Puerto Rico - outfits like Aim surplus sold a bunch most in very rough rusty condition

Unfortunately, after being involuntarily moved to the "Others" sub-forum, we probably won't see much activity.

 

[LVSteve]

I've seen many auctions of what were obviously seized guns, but most did not have guns defaced as shown in the OP. I guess in those jurisdictions they used hang-tags.

In a similar vein there are all those guns out there with the complete or "last four" of somebody's SSN engraved, painted, or carved on them. My 03A3 has a four digit number applied large on the side of the stock. Ugly? No doubt, but I got it cheap and the numbers don't affect how it shoots.

 

[AJ]

The LGS use to buy marked guns from Sheriff's Departments. It seems in the last few years they have switched to tags.

 

[Venom6]

I think the law and practice vary widely from state to state and maybe even from county to county. For the last 30 years the two sheriff's offices I worked for in NE Oregon used tags and boxes, and I cannot recall a single case where that proved inadequate. The bad news is we were not allowed to clean the guns in any way unless forensic examination was slated. We suffered outrage several times from either the district attorney or defense alleging "evidence tampering" if we removed any mud, blood, sweat, urine, feces of any species, or tears. Broke our hearts to throw wet guns into the evidence locker, knowing the intervening months and years would degrade them at best or ruin them at worst. Other jurisdictions may well have been different.

 

[MelvinWalker]

If bought for a shooter and reasonably priced, eh...OK and kinda interesting..

My main concern would be the firearm somehow being left in NCIC as "stolen" or otherwise tagged for a hit when checked by someone later.

 

[Doug M.]

A firearm is so rarely actual evidence (study ER 401; has to make some issue of consequence more or less likely, in crude terms) that treating it as such is almost always misconduct and attorney malpractice. Folklore is not an evidence rule.

 

[DWalt]

Over 15 years ago I attended a Sheriff’s auction in Indiana which included all kinds of property which had apparently been seized as evidence or maybe unclaimed stolen property. There were only about a dozen guns of various types included in the auction. I looked at them, saw nothing of interest, but none had any evidence markings on them. I checked for that. The surprising thing was that the auction was “cash and carry” even for the guns. Win the bid, pay the clerk, take the item, and leave. No paperwork at all.

 

[Greyman50]

Bought a pre WWII M&P the other day that was a “ police sale” pistol that had lots of tape on it. WD 40 took care of it and as soon as back home a through cleaning is in order, will post some pics.

 

[Bald1]

I bought this K22 at the local Cabelas. Salesman said an elderly retired Lancaster NY cop sold it to them. I have no idea what the numbers mean. It had mismatched Magnas on it. I put the Rams Horn and T grip on it.

 

[EEResQ]

I bought this K22 at the local Cabelas. Salesman said an elderly retired Lancaster NY cop sold it to them. I have no idea what the numbers mean. It had mismatched Magnas on it. I put the Rams Horn and T grip on it.

Interesting... Here's a breakdown of the marking on your K22 Target Masterpiece..
NY01467 is the NCJRS identifier (National Criminal Justice Reference Service) for the Town of Lancaster Police Department (T.L.P.D.), Lancaster, NY.

Back in the revolver days, some PD firearms instructors would teach basic handgun marksmanship on a .22 cal. revolver similar to the PD's service revolver. As such, I suspect Lancaster Police Department carried 6" S&W K38 Masterpiece revolvers.

 

[MajorD]

Bald one, I used to live in WNY ! My brother was a long time officer of West Seneca PD, and the stories he would tell from way back when he got on the force in the late 1970’s regarding the neglect misuse and downright abuse of revolvers the cops carried back then ! Too bad you have so few choices on wher3 to buy handguns in the Buffalo area now.
About 10 years ago I moved to Arizona and when it comes to gun ownership what a delightful change! Oddly enough I found it easier to find old affordable classic revolvers to buy when I lived in WNY!

 

[Bald1]

Interesting... Here's a breakdown of the marking on your K22 Target Masterpiece..
NY01467 is the NCJRS identifier (National Criminal Justice Reference Service) for the Town of Lancaster Police Department (T.L.P.D.), Lancaster, NY.

Back in the revolver days, some PD firearms instructors would teach basic handgun marksmanship on a .22 cal. revolver similar to the PD's service revolver. As such, I suspect Lancaster Police Department carried 6" S&W K38 Masterpiece revolvers.

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Thank you so much for that info. I figured it might be a range gun or animal control gun. I knew what TLPD (assumed anyway) but not those numbers. Thanks again.

 

[Bald1]

Bald one, I used to live in WNY ! My brother was a long time officer of West Seneca PD, and the stories he would tell from way back when he got on the force in the late 1970’s regarding the neglect misuse and downright abuse of revolvers the cops carried back then ! Too bad you have so few choices on wher3 to buy handguns in the Buffalo area now.
About 10 years ago I moved to Arizona and when it comes to gun ownership what a delightful change! Oddly enough I found it easier to find old affordable classic revolvers to buy when I lived in WNY!

My NY exodus is on schedule for summer of 2027. Occasionally you’ll find a decent old revolver at a shop for a reasonable price. But definitely not at the gun shows. Seems if it’s not made of plastic nowadays nobody wants them.

 

[EEResQ]

My NY exodus is on schedule for summer of 2027. Occasionally you’ll find a decent old revolver at a shop for a reasonable price. But definitely not at the gun shows. Seems if it’s not made of plastic nowadays nobody wants them.

Four years ago, I ordered this retired Jordanian National Police (JP 550) / S&W Model 10-6 'Heavy Barrel' from a Gander Mountain store in Cicero, NY. Had it shipped to a Camping World store here in Kentucky. Only $282 out the door. Sales clerk in Cicero thought it was from a PD in the USA that began with "J". As it arrived wearing a pair of old beat up Magnas, I put the 1960s S&W Targets on it.

 

[Bald1]

Cool gun. The supply of Jordanian guns dried up quick…….. the guy in Cicero probably thought it was from the town of Jordan which is close to Cicero. They are both in the Syracuse area.

 

[67tempest]

My neighbor had his guns confiscated after a wellness check determined everyone would be better off if he didn't have access to them. I got involved and took custody of them when police had his Il. FOID card revoked and he could no longer legally possess them. None of the firearm's had anything engraved on them, the pistol's were in evidence boxes with the info on the box, the long gun's had hang tag's on them. A guy I worked with had his gun's confiscated under similar circumstances, his gun's were returned to him, unfortunately all had info electro penciled on them.

 

[Venom6]

My neighbor had his guns confiscated after a wellness check determined everyone would be better off if he didn't have access to them. I got involved and took custody of them when police had his Il. FOID card revoked and he could no longer legally possess them. None of the firearm's had anything engraved on them, the pistol's were in evidence boxes with the info on the box, the long gun's had hang tag's on them. A guy I worked with had his gun's confiscated under similar circumstances, his gun's were returned to him, unfortunately all had info electro penciled on them.

Interesting. Same agency and time frame?