Executive Order 13524

[ladder13]

Some are saying that this makes Interpol immune from US laws. Some one smarter than I, please elaborate.

Executive Order 13524 - Wikisource


Obama: Interpol Now Above The Law - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Conscience of a Conservative: Obama has given Interpol unlimited authority over Americans on U.S. soil.

 

[Hoplophile]

1. There are dozens of international organizations already on the original EO, signed by President Reagan 25 years ago.

2. An EO is a policy memo from the President.

3. It is NOT a law. It can be overridden by Congress.

4. It is subject to judicial challenge.

5. Like treaties, it must be consistent with the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period. This is settled law.


Joe W
15+ year gun lobbyist

 

[Niner19]

Hi Joe,

You are correct in your statement, however you fail to mention a big aspect of this executive order. Prior to the Big O signing this Executive Order, it would have been clearly illegal for INTERPOL to do what they are now allowed to do. Now they can act on the EO and make a claim of it being legal.

In order to establish that the EO violates the constitution, a person must have standing and then file a law suit. The suit would be appealed all the way to the SC I assume. This process will takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to establish the EO as unconstitutional. As a result, thousands of US citizens could suffer the effects of this EO before it would be resolved. It took 20 years for the DC gun ban to be overturned, clearly that was a violation of the Constitution as well.

The part I find most scary about this EO, is that I cannot come up with any benign reason for the Big O to sign it.

1. There are dozens of international organizations already on the original EO, signed by President Reagan 25 years ago.

2. An EO is a policy memo from the President.

3. It is NOT a law. It can be overridden by Congress.

4. It is subject to judicial challenge.

5. Like treaties, it must be consistent with the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period. This is settled law.


Joe W
15+ year gun lobbyist

 

[Hoplophile]

NOTHING that I can read in the EO, or the underlying Reagan EO, allows Interpol to exercise police activities in the US. Like with the other international organizations addressed, it gives them immunity from certain court actions, such as seizure of their US-held property.

I'll go out on a limb here and predict you will see NO Interpol cops kicking doors in or otherwise challenging US citizens' constitutional rights. (Interpol is essentially an information exchange service among law enforcement agencies worldwide.)

This is the kind of scaremongering that does us a disservice, making us look like sky-is-falling lunatics. There are plenty of real problems out there we should all be focused on, many FAR more serious than the cited EO.

BTW, the DC handgun ban was in effect for 32 years, not 20 (some of us were around when it passed) and it would have been resolved many years previously if the SCOTUS had not been ducking Second Amendment cases for nearly 70 years.

Joe W
15+ year gun lobbyist

 

[Niner19]

I get it. An American police force can now operate against American Citizens above the Constitution by being assigned to Interpol as a formality. If they are operating in the US, who would they most likely be investigating?

Thanks for the link, now I understand why he signed it.

 

[therevjay]

Don't blame me. I TOLD you to vote for Paris Hilton!

She would have thought 'Interpol' had something to do with asking questions on computers and said "who cares about Interpol? Forget it!"

 

[tac803]

The U.S. Govt. is prohibited from spying on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Interpol is not, nor is the Canadian Government, which is why they were (are) working hand in hand with U.S. intel agencies.

 

[1066]

Here is an NRA summary on this issue:

NRA-ILA :: INTERPOL Rumors

 

[ncy54]

Just got the NRA-ILA summary myself. When they become concerned, then I'll become concerned about this. After receiving numerous e-mails about this from other organizations, many asking for donations as well, I wondered if this was another "H.R. 45" type of overblown situation.
Believe me, I'm as concerned about our personal freedoms as the next guy, but I want to put my efforts (and money) into what are the real battles that will come up in the near future.

 

[Rick-F]

Don't blame me. I TOLD you to vote for Paris Hilton!

She would have thought 'Interpol' had something to do with asking questions on computers and said "who cares about Interpol? Forget it!"

I know this is a joke-- but I would actually feel safer with Paris Hilton in the White House than I do with the current occupant. I really do not fear for my liberty, but I do fear from my childern and grandchildern.

At least I do not think Paris Hilton has an anti-America agenda: I'd rather be on a ship with NO rudder than on one being steered toward the rocks.