Factory engraved K22?

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I picked up an engraved K22 this weekend that looks to be made in 1951. Pretty nice engraving job as far as I can tell and it has an interesting serial number(136000). Is there any way to expedite a letter from S&W? I haven't been able to find much info other than the year of manufacture. it has a 4" barrel and the barrel, cylinder and frame match. I didn't see anything on S&W's site about a phone number or anyway to pay for info over the phone. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Robert.
 

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I'll give ya 300 for that scratched up, old thing.

You just have to wait for your letter to come back.
Good Luck.
I believe maybe, that S&W historical members have
phone privledges but i am not sure.

Very Nice Combat K-22. Tastefully done.

Chuck
 
Welcome! Here is the web link for letter requests:

Firearm History Request - Smith & Wesson

The process of obtaining one is in transition right now, but when everything is settled it should not take 3-4 months. There is no process to pay for information over the phone but if you call customer service they 'may" connect you to someone who has more information.

There are several Forum members who collect engraved S & Ws and may shed some light as to whether the work is factory. In my (highly limited, if not misguided) experience it is unusual for a factory engraved gun to have someone's initials but someone will be along to enlighten us both.
 
Welcome to the Forum. In my opinion, the engraving is not S&W factory work, as the stocks overlap a small part of the engraving, and the works is almost 100% coverage. Not something you will normally see on factory engraving. The pearl stocks are not factory, however it's a presentable gun.
 
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Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Robert.


Robert:

Welcome to the forum. I hope you'll spend some time here.:)

Here are some of my thoughts... I agree that it is not factory engraved. A few signs: 1. No small roll mark on the left side, 2. Engraving style/pattern not consistent with period factory engraving (Russ Smith, Virginia LeBlanc, Harry Jarvis), 3) platinum/white gold/silver initial inlays are not consistent with factory engraving styles, 4) finish appears to be too "dark" for period factory finish (but that could be the lighting).

With all that said, some of my favorite engraved guns were not engraved by factory engravers. The combination of Oak Leaf motif on the Cylinder and an English Scroll on the frame and barrel is interesting but something that I have not seen.

I'm not a fan of the MOP stocks, but I do like the gun and the engraving.

Congrats on your acquisition and thanks for sharing,
 
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The different styles (oak leak on the cyl,, and scroll on frame & bbl) being used on the same gun isn't totally uncommon. Most times it's used, the minor style,the oakleaf in this case shows up on other areas of the gun even if just a 'touch' here or there..

What strikes me the most about the 2 different styles is that the oakleaf, for what little there is of it, looks much cleaner cut than the scroll pattern.
The scroll cutter had kind of a tough time on the rounded surfaces of the frame and bbl keeping things in order. The flat surfaces scroll have quite a few knees and elbows to them too.
The cylinder oakleaf engraving is cleaner cut IMO. A simple but effective leaf & acorn pattern was used but the engraver seems to be more in control than with the scroll cut.

It looks like a double line border cut, (thick & thin line), was used on the cylinder. Nice steady, even border line cuts around the back end of the flutes. Simple looking, but can be tough for many engravers to do,,there's no hard edge at the back end of the flute to use as a guide to run a trace scribe around.
On the rest of the gun just a simple single thin border line was used.

Could be the same engraver of course, it's just that pattern, border and background elements don't usually show that much difference on the same gun from the same engraver.
Maybe a different engraver,,a replacement cylinder (check the ser#) cut later and added,
..or maybe they just wanted something just like we're looking at and all this speculation is for nothing!
You never know about them artists

Just some observations,,

Congrats on a nice looking revolver. Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
 
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The serial number on the cylinder, barrel and frame match. 136000. Do you think it may have been a presentation gun due to the serial number?
Thanks for all the info so far guys.
Robert.
 
The serial number on the cylinder, barrel and frame match. 136000. Do you think it may have been a presentation gun due to the serial number?
Thanks for all the info so far guys.
Robert.

No.
My vote for non factory work as well.
In the early fifties,servicemen could have engraving done very cheaply in Germany.Since it has some oak leaves,commonly used on German guns,this might be one of those.(The cylinder motif doesn't quite fit with the rest of the engraving,imo) From my own experience with a non factory engraved k22 with owner's initials,I can tell you that the initials hurt the value.
Factory engraved guns are usually engraved just to the outline of the grip.I think that you'll find that this one has full coverage to the edge of the frame.
 
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Hold off on asking for a factory letter. Smith & Wesson will no longer be doing factory letters. They will be done by the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation. There is also going to be an increase in the cost of letters. The new mailing address will be available shortly. Someone in this thread responded that SWCA members get special treatment. That is not true and it is not fair to anyone else requesting letters. They are handled in the order they are received.
 
Factory Letter

Is it possible to get a Letter for this gun now? Do the new letters contain the same information as the old ones?
 
I sent for one in October and got it back about 10 days ago. It gives some history on the model and then tells when, where and how it shipped.
 
Is it possible to get a Letter for this gun now? Do the new letters contain the same information as the old ones?

Yes. Go to the Downloads section at the top of the page and look for the letter request form. Fill it out and send it in. Remember the serial number of the revolver is K136000.
Good Luck
Don Mundell
Assistant Historian
Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation
 
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