FIRE MISSION - Virginia - Comment on permanent state-agency gun ban!

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FIRE MISSION - Comment on permanent state-agency gun ban!


-----Original Message-----
From: VCDL President
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:37 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: IMPORTANT ACTION ITEM: Comment on permanent state-agency gun ban!


The Governor has an "emergency" state-agency gun ban in place. That emergency ban runs out in 18 months. What will follow it, is a permanent gun ban.

The permanent gun ban is being done following the normal method - it is listed in the Regulatory Town Hall and is required to get comments from the public for about six weeks. I am told by someone who would know that if we can provide an overwhelming number of comments providing good reasons for the regulation not to be implemented, we stand a chance of stopping the regulation if the press picks up on the issue and runs with it.

Simply urging the Governor to drop the idea is a waste of time, as he has already made up his mind. We want to get the attention of the press and others.

As a bonus, with a huge negative response, the Governor cannot point to the Regulatory Town Hall and say that no one responded because they agree with what he is doing!

Unlike letters and email sent to the Governor, which he can hide from disclosure by placing them in his "Governor's working papers," your comments in the Regulatory Town Hall are public and visible to all.

Another important note. If at least 25 of us also request that the comment period be extended, it will get another 30 days added to the cut-off date (currently January 27th).

Here is the link where you can enter your comments:

Virginia Regulatory Town Hall List Comments

Click "Enter a comment"

Fill in your name, email address.

Suggested Subject/Title: Something like "This regulation is dangerous to public safety," or "Why deny Virginia citizens right to self-defense?" or "Government buildings are targets of terrorism, why make it easier for terrorists to succeed?" (Whatever title you decide on, make sure it is clear by just reading the title that you oppose the regulation. Don't depend on someone reading your message to figure out your position.)

Suggested message:

This proposed regulation will have the opposite of the intended affect by playing into the hands of terrorists, violent criminals, and the criminally insane. We have had no shootings in state agencies and this prohibition on those with a concealed handgun permit, some of whom have active and ongoing threats to their lives, is entirely without any justification and needlessly and recklessly endangers innocent lives.

Disarming good citizens (who are the only ones likely to obey the prohibition) does not make them safer.

Importantly the Governor has no authority for this regulation. If the General Assembly wanted the Governor to have such power, they would have granted it to him explicitly, as is required constitutionally.

This proposed regulation is a solution for which there is no problem. It endangers state employees, law abiding citizens, and the innocent by making state buildings a safe zone for terrorists, criminals, and the criminally insane to conduct their evil and savage actions.

This regulations should not be approved and the emergency regulation withdrawn.

Please extended the comment period for another 30 days.

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I encourage you to customize the message, including adding your own talking points. Some points you might wish to integrate (you don't need to do all of them):

* All but two of the public massacres since 1950 had been committed by criminals and terrorists in "gun-free zones," which is exactly what this regulation creates
* Off-duty police officers are also prevented from carrying
* Bans in rest stops send a very uninviting message to, and endanger the lives of, interstate travelers
* The cost of providing additional security to protect everyone who has been disarmed by this regulation will be prohibitive
* The ban won't hold up in court, due to lack of authority by the Governor
* If parking lots are included in the ban, then citizens will be disarmed to and from their residences and everywhere in between

WE NEED TO CREATE A MASSIVE RESPONSE! Cross post this to your friends, family members, fellow employees, church groups, chat groups, etc., etc.

As of 9:33 PM on the first day of the comment period there are a total of only ELEVEN comments. You can check back on the Regulatory Town Hall using the comment link to watch as the comments pour in.

VCDL - LET'S ROLL AND ROLL HARD!
 
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Not totally clear where in VA this gun ban would be in effect? All State owned/run properties? State lands?

Exactly!

And if the Governor has his way, it will be enforced as broadly and unreasonably as possible.

This is your right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Make your voice heard!
 
Exactly!

And if the Governor has his way, it will be enforced as broadly and unreasonably as possible.

This is your right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Make your voice heard!
Will comments from someone on the opposite coast carry any weight on this question? I'm not exactly one of his constituents...
 
FIRE MISSION - Comment on permanent state-agency gun ban!
-----Original Message-----
From: VCDL President
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:37 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: IMPORTANT ACTION ITEM: Comment on permanent state-agency gun ban!

The Governor has an "emergency" state-agency gun ban in place. That emergency ban runs out in 18 months. What will follow it, is a permanent gun ban.

WE NEED TO CREATE A MASSIVE RESPONSE! Cross post this to your friends, family members, fellow employees, church groups, chat groups, etc., etc.
For brevity's sake, I edited the original post...no sense repeating the e-mail and some of the other stuff to make my point.

Why would anyone, including the Virginia Citizens Defense League, think the Commonwealth of Virginia's government (and Terry McAuliffe) give a hoot about what people in other states think of how they run their state?

Answer: They don't. And won't. If people don't live and vote in Virginia, their opinions on a Virginia political issue aren't worth a hill of beans. That'd be like someone from Norfolk saying they don't like how Governor Watchdog is running North Carolina. And Governor Watchdog's response to that would be a shrug of the shoulders and calling for the bartender to bring another round. In other words, it's immaterial.

As of 9:33 PM on the first day of the comment period there are a total of only ELEVEN comments. You can check back on the Regulatory Town Hall using the comment link to watch as the comments pour in.
I have a hard time understanding this. The VCDL claims to have over 17,000 subscribers to these VA-ALERT e-mails. Surely (hopefully) a few thousand of those folks live in Virginia and are maybe members of the VCDL? And maybe they're even registered voters? The VCDL is also supposedly "more radical than the NRA".

But there are only a total of eleven comments about this on the Regulatory Town Hall site? What's wrong with this picture? Looks like the VCDL has a problem in either getting the word out, or it has a problem motivating its members and other gun owners in the state?

Looks like someone in the VCDL is talking the talk, but isn't up to walking the walk.

The gun owners in Virginia apparently have about 1.5 years before this becomes permanent...if, indeed, it ever becomes law.

Might be time to make yourselves more visible than just posting comments on a website. I mean, you know, if you care about your Second Amendment rights and all.
 
I thought VA was a fairly conservative state. How did this moron get elected?
 
Can someone explain it simple English what's going on in Va?

Can't bring guns on gov property? Is that it or am I missing something?

Simple English: McAuliffe's executive order affects offices and buildings that fall under the aegis of Virginia's executive branch.

Nothing more, nothing less at this time.
 
...I have a hard time understanding this. The VCDL claims to have over 17,000 subscribers to these VA-ALERT e-mails. Surely (hopefully) a few thousand of those folks live in Virginia and are maybe members of the VCDL? And maybe they're even registered voters? The VCDL is also supposedly "more radical than the NRA".

But there are only a total of eleven comments about this on the Regulatory Town Hall site? What's wrong with this picture? Looks like the VCDL has a problem in either getting the word out, or it has a problem motivating its members and other gun owners in the state?

Looks like someone in the VCDL is talking the talk, but isn't up to walking the walk.

The gun owners in Virginia apparently have about 1.5 years before this becomes permanent...if, indeed, it ever becomes law.

Might be time to make yourselves more visible than just posting comments on a website. I mean, you know, if you care about your Second Amendment rights and all.

I hear ya' Dog. We have a Bellevue WA based outfit that calls themselves the Second Amendment Foundation and there are a relatively small number of WA residents who say supporting them is more effective than supporting the NRA. Of course the SFA has around 650k members IIRC, and the NRA has nearly six MILLION members.

I always tell the locals to support the SFA, but don't give up on the NRA - because they're the ones who've kept the anti-gun wolves at bay all these last 50 + years.

Simple English: McAuliffe's executive order affects offices and buildings that fall under the aegis of Virginia's executive branch.

Nothing more, nothing less at this time.
So then these restrictions don't apply to state lands too? Only government buildings/campuses?
 
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