Firing Pin Retainer 6906 3rd gen
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My understanding of it is that the slide length and even the frame are different on these two models to accomodate the mechanical features of the double action only. This is partially the case to shield the hammer, which is also different. I've got both, and the slide on the 3953 is longer.
There are some other issues in attempting this conversion to be considered, as well. I'd recommend that you purchase a 3953 if you want DAO. My 3953 is on the left, 3913 on right.
There are some other issues in attempting this conversion to be considered, as well. I'd recommend that you purchase a 3953 if you want DAO. My 3953 is on the left, 3913 on right.
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dear XAVMECH
thank you for the quick answer
i dont think that the size of the slid make any difrent
becose i allready install 915 safety in the 6906 and its work very good
you can see that in my pic the shape of the retainer is like the hole in the slide and in your pic its circule shape
i dont want DAO i just want to close the hole in the slide
with the same function like today
thank you for the quick answer
i dont think that the size of the slid make any difrent
becose i allready install 915 safety in the 6906 and its work very good
you can see that in my pic the shape of the retainer is like the hole in the slide and in your pic its circule shape
i dont want DAO i just want to close the hole in the slide
with the same function like today
jdesro1911
Member
The DAO pistols that XAVMECH were referring to are older versions that were DAO only with a completely different setup than the newer ones. I believe it was to save manufacturing costs, but the later DAO pistols used the same frames and slides as the traditional DA pistols with just the safety/decocker lever removed and replaced with a firing pin retainer and a different hammer, such as in the photo posted in the OP.
To bb1911 I'm not exactly sure what you are looking to do. You say you do not want DAO, but it sounds like you don't want the safety/decocker lever on your 6906 either. I don't think you can have it like that - it has to be either DAO only or traditional DA with decocker lever. Without the lever, how would you safely lower the hammer? I suppose you could hold the hammer back while pulling the trigger to lower it, but I really don't think that is a good idea.
Maybe I have misunderstood what you are looking to do, but if you are trying to do what I think you are trying to do, even if it can be done I don't think it is a very good idea. Just my opinion.
To bb1911 I'm not exactly sure what you are looking to do. You say you do not want DAO, but it sounds like you don't want the safety/decocker lever on your 6906 either. I don't think you can have it like that - it has to be either DAO only or traditional DA with decocker lever. Without the lever, how would you safely lower the hammer? I suppose you could hold the hammer back while pulling the trigger to lower it, but I really don't think that is a good idea.
Maybe I have misunderstood what you are looking to do, but if you are trying to do what I think you are trying to do, even if it can be done I don't think it is a very good idea. Just my opinion.
handgunner356
Member
The plug used on the TSW series will probably only work on the newer TSW slides. Like as already said, even if it did fit you would loose the ability to safely decock the gun. Third generation guns were not really designed to be carried with a cocked hammer.
hi all
im not going to cary the gun with a cocked hammer or with 1 in the chamber
but i want to Pull the slide Without interruption of the safety lever in Dangerous situation
like DAO but with single action after the slide pull
but tha main qestion was if you think the new firing pin retainer will fit without different hammer (i dont see the connection between the hammer and the firing pin retainer)
thank you all
im not going to cary the gun with a cocked hammer or with 1 in the chamber
but i want to Pull the slide Without interruption of the safety lever in Dangerous situation
like DAO but with single action after the slide pull
but tha main qestion was if you think the new firing pin retainer will fit without different hammer (i dont see the connection between the hammer and the firing pin retainer)
thank you all
I understand about what you mean regarding plugging the hole on the right side of the slide. The hole on the left has a "Keyhole" shape, the one on the right is circular. I believe you'll be able to use the plug from a 908s to fill that hole. I'm going to do a similar project on my 3913, where I retain the left hand decocking lever, and remove the right. I'm right-handed and would like to slim down my slide a bit, too. If you call the technicians at S&W, you should be able to get an idea of the other parts, if necessary, to do the job. Finding them may be a bit of a hunt - you may want to place an ad in the WTB section of this forum. Good luck - and let's see a picture of your finished pistol!
XAVMECH
XAVMECH
Let me be a more precise in what I said above about plugging the "hole" on the right side of the slide of my 3913 when I modify it to left side only decocker: I need to get the decocker assy from a 908s to swap out. This may also require some gunsmithing, as the sear lever is fitted. With respect to the wider 6906, you may be able to accomplish the same thing if there is a left sided decocker available from a double stack "value series" pistol....Again, you may want to call the techs at S&W on that one. I apologize for any confusion I may have created with my earlier post(s).
XAVMECH
XAVMECH
handgunner356
Member
The "Plug" is the safety body, it goes all the way through the slide, at best would be to install a single sided compact safety. The lever is shaved and just on the left side. S&W considers the safety body a fitted part and doesn't sell them, you would need to go through Numrich, Jack First or other parts houses. If you remove both levers you have no way to safely lower the hammer after your done firing. Pre-TSW 9/40 slides will fit the same safety body.
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yustinus1973
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I do not know about the hammer or the firing pin retainer. But if you are worried about hitting the safety levers, when racking the slide, and thus putting the pistol on safe by accident, although i have heard of this, it was in regards to racking the slide while reloading using the over hand method. But this has never happend to me before, and i think with practice this can be avoided all together. Many agencies use the over hand method, on there Berettas, S&Ws, and Rugers with no problems. As for modifying your pistol it was designed to be operated with a round in the chamber, and the hammer down (by decocking it), with the first shot being double action, and all others single action(condition two). The pistol was not designed as a single action(condition one), only a small number of S&W where made to be single action. I only know of one agence that uses a loaded mag. in the mag. well, and no round in the chamber(condition three), that is the IDF, and it would take to long to tell you why they do it that way. But the point is the pistol was designed to be a traditional double action pistol with decocker levers to drop the hammer. I think if you are rilly worried about hitting the safety levers you should think about a double action only pistol, good luck.
Grog
Member
I think all of the TSW versions can be modified to be spring loaded decock only, not sure if S&W can do that to a regular 3rd gen gun.
That way you could decock safety and never worry about the safety being set "on" by accident.
That way you could decock safety and never worry about the safety being set "on" by accident.
Hi all
Funny thing happen today Wail I was shooting in my friend range
Suddenly came someone that have s&w 6926 DAO
I ask the nice gay if I can change the slides between the guns for a little test and he say of course
So I replace the slides
and the gun work perfect as you can see (13 yard)
Now after I pass the test and all the answer is satisfy what left is to get this part
Funny thing happen today Wail I was shooting in my friend range
Suddenly came someone that have s&w 6926 DAO
I ask the nice gay if I can change the slides between the guns for a little test and he say of course
So I replace the slides
and the gun work perfect as you can see (13 yard)
Now after I pass the test and all the answer is satisfy what left is to get this part
Unless I'm missing something, that still leaves you with a pistol that you cannot safely decock. No decocking lever on the slide, and no frame-mounted decocking mechanism.
If you fire less than a full magazine, and you want to safe the weapon, you're stuck with dropping the mag and manually extacting the live round in the chamber using the slide - not the safest practice.
If you fire less than a full magazine, and you want to safe the weapon, you're stuck with dropping the mag and manually extacting the live round in the chamber using the slide - not the safest practice.
Dear Bruce
You're not missing anything, That's exactly what I was looking for
most of the IPSC guns in production category (cz shadow, tangfolio stock, Springfield p9, speinx, baby eagle, eaa ....)
all of them need do decock manually
and Let's not forget the GLOCK that work the same Idea like I want
of cores I know it’s not the safety way but it’s not so bad
You're not missing anything, That's exactly what I was looking for
most of the IPSC guns in production category (cz shadow, tangfolio stock, Springfield p9, speinx, baby eagle, eaa ....)
all of them need do decock manually
and Let's not forget the GLOCK that work the same Idea like I want
of cores I know it’s not the safety way but it’s not so bad
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handgunner356
Member
A Glock does not work the same way, just let me know when you're on the range.
cmj8591
Member
First, the 69/39 Smiths are COMPLETELY different from the Glock system which is COMPLETELY different from the 1911 platform. If you replace the safety/decock lever on your 6906 with the firing pin retainer from your 3953 your gun will be totally unsafe. You will not be able to safely decock the gun to take it out of the single action mode. If you want the gun to act like a Glock or a 1911, then sell it and buy a Glock or 1911.
DO NOT DO THIS MODIFICATION. IT IS UNSAFE!
DO NOT DO THIS MODIFICATION. IT IS UNSAFE!
yustinus1973
Member
If you like the way that 6926 was set up (by the way its DA/SA with a decocker, not DAO) then why not get one of those they are for sale on GB. I just dont understand why you want to do this to your 6906, im not picking on you, im just saying this sounds like a rilly bad idea, because the pistol was not designed to fuction that way. I agree with cmj8591, if you want your 6906(DA/SA) to fuction like a glock(striker fired), or a 1911(SA), then go get one of those, and be safe.
DO NOT DO THIS MODIFICATION. IT IS UNSAFE!
DO NOT DO THIS MODIFICATION. IT IS UNSAFE!
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dear all
the main question was about the part and if it can be changed ( I already check that and its working )
I’m IPSC shooter and Owen Para ordenance custom made ,2 glock 17 , 2 tanfoglio stock ,1 s&w 6906
believe me I know how every one of my guns work and how to be safety.
I bought the 6906 from old Neighbor for 100$ and the gun shot 50 round all his life
the Reason I get the gun is that its compact +/- glock 26(that coast X4)
the 6906 going to be carry on the ankle so its good to have SS slide for the rust and alloy frame for the Weight
I’m not going to carry the gun with a cocked hammer or with 1 in the chamber I think it’s more danger then removing the safety
but I want to Pull the slide Without interruption of the safety lever in Dangerous situation
and get single action triger pull.
I hope my arguments more clear now
and Want to thank you for the real safety concern
great forum
the main question was about the part and if it can be changed ( I already check that and its working )
I’m IPSC shooter and Owen Para ordenance custom made ,2 glock 17 , 2 tanfoglio stock ,1 s&w 6906
believe me I know how every one of my guns work and how to be safety.
I bought the 6906 from old Neighbor for 100$ and the gun shot 50 round all his life
the Reason I get the gun is that its compact +/- glock 26(that coast X4)
the 6906 going to be carry on the ankle so its good to have SS slide for the rust and alloy frame for the Weight
I’m not going to carry the gun with a cocked hammer or with 1 in the chamber I think it’s more danger then removing the safety
but I want to Pull the slide Without interruption of the safety lever in Dangerous situation
and get single action triger pull.
I hope my arguments more clear now
and Want to thank you for the real safety concern
great forum
cmj8591
Member
I'm not going to sugar coat this because you are endangering others by using your gun in this condition but this is an unsafe modification under any circumstances regardless of your gun handling skill level. I also believe that if the range officer at your next ipsc shoot becomes aware of this, you will not be allowed to use the weapon in that condition. Also in that condition, should you have an accident, regardless of the cause, your personal liability will be through the roof. Again, this is an unnecessary and extremely hazardous modification and you should reconsider it. If not, please tell me where you shoot so that I can stay away!
