Would You Tell Someone If You Noticed Them Printing.

[balin]

I generally keep my thoughts, ideas and opinions to myself in all areas of life until they are asked for.

 

[shep854]

According to the video I posted above, Cooper says that Yellow is a general awareness of the world is not a safe place and that you may have to defend yourself today.

He says that orange is focusing on a specific potential threat. I may have to defend myself against that person today.

He says in condition red the threat has materialized and you're making "If, Then" decisions. "If this happens Then I'm going to shoot."

When I reference the Cooper color code, which is very rare, I use his definitions.

Good points. That was how I understood his concept. I was following Cooper in the ‘80s gunzines, and even devoured one of his books as a kid in the ‘60s.

 

[shep854]

The idea of the ‘Color Code’ was not to be a rigid framework, but a way to teach, in a simple way for new shooters and non-professionals, the range between being totally clueless and unaware of your surroundings AND being totally surprised and panicked by a sudden threat.
While it may sound silly to trained and experienced CCW-ers, it can be quite eye-opening to a newbie.

 

[decuerno]

I’m new to these forums…and don’t wish to give the wrong impression…. reluctant to tell on myself…but here goes:

In 2018 while Vacationing in ID and MT (open carry?) we stopped at a small cafe for lunch. We dropped some post-cards into the sidewall mailbox outside the cafe before entering, and sat down to order. We were viewing the menu when…
A middle-aged “heavy” man with his back to us was bending over talking to another guy sitting at a table. I noticed the 1911 he wore on his right-side in a “bikini”, sharply-canted-holster, which due to his bent-over stance and canted-holster, the muzzle was pointed directly at the back of my wife’s head. The hammer was cocked and It was not possible to see if the safety was on (condition two) and he was so overweight his disheveled clothing appeared that any casual movement might cause a discharge.

I walked over, apologized for the interruption, and mentioned the problem, asking him to shift his position…. to which he responded brusquely “None of your f-in’ business!” He remained bent-over leaning on his friend’s table.

What I did next might have gotten me in trouble… but his response so pizzed me off that I grabbed his right elbow/arm pushing it fwd (preventing his using it) and pulled his pistol from the holster, dropped the mag onto the floor, and cleared the slide. By now he’s pulled away from me and started yelling, but I pushed the slide-release and slid it off the frame and handed the slide to him.

I dropped the frame into the mail-box outside on the sidewalk and walked to my truck a block away (my wife was right behind me acting confused and angry at me. I hate it when women distractingly yell at their men when in dangerous situations.) The guy and his buddy were right behind me yelling and I told them to call the sherriff. My heart didn’t stop racing for hours.

We drove to the next town for lunch and expecting flashing-lights…but never heard a further word.

That’s the only time I’ve ever acted so reckless. Ordinarily I mind my own business.

 

[Smoke]

I’m new to these forums…and don’t wish to give the wrong impression…. reluctant to tell on myself…but here goes:

In 2018 while Vacationing in ID and MT (open carry?) we stopped at a small cafe for lunch. We dropped some post-cards into the sidewall mailbox outside the cafe before entering, and sat down to order. We were viewing the menu when…
A middle-aged “heavy” man with his back to us was bending over talking to another guy sitting at a table. I noticed the 1911 he wore on his right-side in a “bikini”, sharply-canted-holster, which due to his bent-over stance and canted-holster, the muzzle was pointed directly at the back of my wife’s head. The hammer was cocked and It was not possible to see if the safety was on (condition two) and he was so overweight his disheveled clothing appeared that any casual movement might cause a discharge.

I walked over, apologized for the interruption, and mentioned the problem, asking him to shift his position…. to which he responded brusquely “None of your f-in’ business!” He remained bent-over leaning on his friend’s table.

What I did next might have gotten me in trouble… but his response so pizzed me off that I grabbed his right elbow/arm pushing it fwd (preventing his using it) and pulled his pistol from the holster, dropped the mag onto the floor, and cleared the slide. By now he’s pulled away from me and started yelling, but I pushed the slide-release and slid it off the frame and handed the slide to him.

I dropped the frame into the mail-box outside on the sidewalk and walked to my truck a block away (my wife was right behind me acting confused and angry at me. I hate it when women distractingly yell at their men when in dangerous situations.) The guy and his buddy were right behind me yelling and I told them to call the sherriff. My heart didn’t stop racing for hours.

We drove to the next town for lunch and expecting flashing-lights…but never heard a further word.

That’s the only time I’ve ever acted so reckless. Ordinarily I mind my own business.

 

[BB57]

As a retired LEO, back in the 70s we always looked for an “imprint” to see if they were carrying. We didn’t worry about our good friends but we were cautious about our bad friends. Yes, I live and worked in a small community that everyone knew everyone and everyone had an “Easy Rider” rifle rack in their vehicle with at least one center fire long gun and one shotgun or 2 of each. We knew most everybody and the brothers, sisters, moms, dads, uncles , aunts, grandparents and were extremely careful with all strangers. Don’t know when the term “printing” came about or why but it’s like most things, they evolve.

I still do that.

The thing many people don't realize is that its more than just "printing".

That guy you looks down, checks his untucked shirt as soon as he gets out of his car, and then tugs on it again twice while crossing the parking lot. Even from the far side and no way to see a "print" its a safe bet he's carrying.

Same with the guy with the out of fashion and unseasonably warm vest or other cover garment.

Then there's the guy with his tactical logo t- shirt and punisher logo ball cap doing a dramatic slow scan for threats at the local 5 Guys. Take a close look at him and you'll often spot bulge where a gun would be.

All of the above go on the threat list.

The point here is people spend way too much time focusing on "printing, and more often than not they are fairly new to concealed carry and its their actions, based in their own nervousness or insecurity that give them away.

Conceal carry daily for a decade or more and you won't give it a second thought because you've figured out to *discreetly* conceal carry, and because you're not obsessing over it.

I was in Arlington one afternoon and a lady in an elevator spotted the metal clip for my tuckable holster on my belt. It was a given she probably also noticed the extra volume under the tucked shirt. She asked me about the clip on my belt and, without blinking or stressing over it, I commented it was for my TENS unit. We had a nice conversation about back pain.

 

[decuerno]

I guess I deserved that.

 

[BB57]

In North Carolina open carry is legal if you do not have a CCW. With CCW you are not allowed to open carry. With that being said, I doubt printing would be a concern. People here carry every where & rightly so.

People get a bit confused about that.

State v. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574 (1921) established the right to open carry in NC. Where people get confused is in the fact that people with NC concealed carry permits can carry in some places where people cannot open carry. And in those specific circumstances, open carry *under the provisions and privileges* of a concealed carry permit is not allowed.

There's also the general rationale that concealed should be concealed, which is what entitles concealed carry permit holders access to some specific areas where open carry is prohibited.

For example Target and Chipotle are examples of businesses that are posted against open carry (thanks to those farm animal stupid 2A demonstrators making customers nervous and costing the businesses lost revenue). Since open carry is not allowed in those businesses, but they are also not posted against concealed carry, a concealed carry permit holder can still carry there provide it remains concealed. And you're well advised to ensure its really concealed, out of respect for the rights of the business owner.

"Brandishing" is another issue people get hung up on and get wrong. In NC it's "going armed to the terror of the public" and it means intentionally trying to terrorize or intimidate people by going around with an exposed firearm. That's an entirely different motive and level of intent than printing or having your concealed carry handgun briefly exposed if a gust of wind lifts your shirt tail.

 

[rockquarry]

People get a bit confused about that.

State v. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574 (1921) established the right to open carry in NC. Where people get confused is in the fact that people with NC concealed carry permits can carry in some places where people cannot open carry. And in those specific circumstances, open carry *under the provisions and privileges* of a concealed carry permit is not allowed.

There's also the general rationale that concealed should be concealed, which is what entitles concealed carry permit holders access to some specific areas where open carry is prohibited.

For example Target and Chipotle are examples of businesses that are posted against open carry (thanks to those farm animal stupid 2A demonstrators making customers nervous and costing the businesses lost revenue). Since open carry is not allowed in those businesses, but they are also not posted against concealed carry, a concealed carry permit holder can still carry there provide it remains concealed. And you're well advised to ensure its really concealed, out of respect for the rights of the business owner.

"Brandishing" is another issue people get hung up on and get wrong. In NC it's "going armed to the terror of the public" and it means intentionally trying to terrorize or intimidate people by going around with an exposed firearm. That's an entirely different motive and level of intent than printing or having your concealed carry handgun briefly exposed if a gust of wind lifts your shirt tail.

The part about the 2A demonstrators is particularly worth mention. These fanatical hardheads also hurt their own cause. Regrettably, they lack both the intellect and diplomatic manner to ever figure that out.

 

[okiegtrider]

Nah. I just let it go.

 

[Squib_Load]

... You notice somebody Who You Don't Know printing or the butt of their gun is visible in their pocket.

Would you mention it or mind your own business.

Walking up to a stranger is now frowned upon in general. Everyone expects everyone else to 'mind your own business'. That's sad.
And I reject that.
Say hello to strangers and you open up the possibility of a new friendship.
You all carry guns. Are you open to friendship? Do you smile at people, or keep your head down and avoid eye contact? Do people see you as a threat even though you don't deserve it? Do you want people to avoid you?
Break out of it. Make your community a friendlier place by being friendly. I do.

 

[Smoke]

Are you open to friendship?

No.

Do you smile at people?

No.

Do people see you as a threat even though you don't deserve it?

I doubt very seriously that they do now. I think now they see me as a gimpy old man who walks quite slowly, with a cane

Do you want people to avoid you?

People? No Strangers? yes

Break out of it. Make your community a friendlier place by being friendly. I do.

 

[Glenn R. McMannly]

Yes.

I’ve I were printing I’d want someone to do the same for me.

 

[hkcavalier]

Unless a friend or family member, no.

 

[shep854]

Just for grins...

 

[Warren Sear]

I throw up in my mouth a little every time I see idjits talking about "printing". LOL!

My advice is to never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.

 

[Oldsalt66]

I'd mind my own darned business because there is no law against "printing" in Florida, nor is accidental exposure illegal, but mostly because it's none of my business in the least.

Here in Florida the legal requirement is that the gun must simply be "concealed from ordinary sight", so if it's covered by cloth you're good to go.

Everyone who regularly carries a decent sized handgun prints on occasion to one extent or another.

Most passersby are oblivious.

 

[Kanewpadle]

No. I mind my own business. And most of the time, only gun folks notice printing.

 

[fatcat3]

(Side note, this woman was not the kind of person that should have been wearing spandex)

Aren't they always?

 

[Yendor357]

Just stay out of it.