First 10 rounds *Range update

[novalty]

10-4
Show us a pic of a primer end of that damaged brass if you can?

BTW, are you sure about them bullets being 200gr...not 155gr LSWC's?

Kingranch, I just weighed a load round vs some factory Remington UMC 230gr FMJ.

LSWC=290gr OAW
FMJ=325 OAW

 

[kingranch]

7gr of Unique is a starting load for some of 44mag reloads and that’s in a case twice as long as 45ACP you know. The strike mark you’re referring to must be the ejector mark. Crumbled case in a photo must’ve strike something hard at the range…happens all the time. I’m at work right now but when I come home I’ll try to duplicate your recipe…I’m pretty sure that 7.0gr of Unique must be a compressed charge in 45ACP case with 200gr bullet.

 

[Jellybean]

Nope these are handcast in a Lyman mold. Believe it is #452460 as they don't have the beveled base for gas checks.

The other bullet shown in #49 is not made for gas checks, it's just a bevel base. You might want to have your brother in law check the overall length of that loaded round, it looks like it may be seated out too far.

The damaged bullet has nothing to do with excessive pressure, the case was crimped somewhere after being fired.

 

[novalty]

Kingranch, I appreciate you doing that. I just double checked my Lyman manual, this is the data it has for the load.

#452460
200gr. SWC
Case OAL=1.161
Unique:
Suggested Starting load: 5.0gr.
Velocity: 670fps
Pressure C.U.P: 7,700

Unique:
Max Load Grains:7.5gr.
Velocity: 980fps
Pressure:16,600

Wish I had a Chrono for them, but this is the info I have on the loaded cartridge.

200gr. SWC
Case OAL: 1.215
Unique: 7.0gr

 

[novalty]

Well I field stripped my 1911 and I do see some slight wear on the right of the "bowtie" on the upper inner part of the rail. Looks like some polishing of the metal and a slight ridge where it stops closer to the hammer. The vertical impact surface shows no signs of impacted or peening. The ejector appears to be fine and undamaged--so signs of peening there either. The only thing I am not sure about is the external extractor. The lower portion of it doesn't appear to corner of it seems to be slightly rounded. It doesn't appear to be broken or chipped as it doesn't have a sharp-irregular shaped edge--but I am not sure if this is the way the the extractor was machined.

 

[Beans]

Those brass casing looked liked they were caught on something and didn't eject.

from the Alliant's web page

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...owderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=3&cartridge=35



DO NOT EXCEED THE LOADS DISPLAYED ON THE SITE OR ALLIANT'S RELOADERS GUIDE.


Caliber --- Bullet --------- ------------- Case--- ---- Minimum OAL (inches) --------Bbl Length------- Primer ----- Powder-------- Charge Weight (grains) -------------- Velocity

45 Auto--- 200 gr Speer LSWC --- -------- Speer ------ 1.19 ---------- --------------- 4.4 ----- ---- CCI 300 ------- Unique----------- 5.4 ------- ----------------- 790

 

[kingranch]

Well, 200gr LSWC bullet won’t be compressing 7.0gr charge of Unique in 45ACP case. In fact...Lyman manual seem to be correct with the load data you’ve copied! You’d be approaching 45ACP +P velocities but as long as your gun and you can take it...fire away! In fact...I’m gonna make me some as you’ve posted here and try it out this Saturday. God help us all!

 

[Beans]

I just checked my 3 latest editions of the Lyman manuals and They agree with what you posted.

I also checked my Lee's second edition reloading manual and they recommend a MAX load of 5.1 Unique.

I stopped there as my other 15 or so reloading manuals may have even more different data.

SO it appears that you can just chose whatever data you are comfortable with with 7.5 grains listed as MAX

 

[Rule3]

What the heck happened to the brass? You shot these from a 1911? Did they all jam like that? What weight spring is in the gun?

 

[novalty]

What the heck happened to the brass? You shot these from a 1911? Did they all jam like that? What weight spring is in the gun?

I do not think this was any result of the charge or bullet. As the same bullets were fired from my BIL S&W 1911 and none showed the same signs of damage. What I cannot explain is how the slide locked back--as there was no stove-pipe. My 1911 performed flawlessly, granted with a lot more kick, but didn't have any FTF or FTE issues--I even loaded a mix mag with factory Remington UMC 230gr, my reloaded 5.9gr unique w/230gr fmj, and some LSWC and it worked without issue. I believe mine has the factory 16lb spring in it, not sure if my BIL has changed his but my guess would be he has given the amount he shoots. My 1911 was previously owned, and last owner said that he only put 200 rounds through and wear seems to be indicate the same. I have only put through about 140 rounds so far.

 

[johngalt]

Do you have a long ejector in your .45? I put a long ejector in mine, it now mangles my brass like that. I think I'll go back to the original eventually.

 

[novalty]

Here is a pic of the right side of my 1911, it is the factory ejector and is the long skinny one, not the Performance Center short fat one.

 

[kingranch]

The long black piece there is an extractor. Ejector is on the other - inner side of a slide and its visible when you lock the slide back or field strip your gun.

 

[novalty]

The long black piece there is an extractor. Ejector is on the other - inner side of a slide and its visible when you lock the slide back or field strip your gun.

You are right Kingranch, I guess I haven't had enough coffee this morning. The ejector on my S&W is fairly skinny, wasn't aware of another version. The strike mark on the rim of the case looks like it resulted from impact with the ejector.