Followup on Wolf Primers and Lee Priming tool

[Rule3]

A follow up on the discussion of Wolf primers and the Lee hand held priming tool.
Just as a FYI, I called Lee Precision and spoke with John about the use of Wolf primers. He stated that they had not yet tested them and will do so in the near future. He asked me about what size the package was (individual sleeve) as this is a indication of of how sensitive they are due to to whatever compound is used in the primer. He stated is has nothing to do with the "hardness" of the primer but what compound is used. I have never seen a a Wolf or Federal sleeve of primers having only used CCI.
Apparently the primers that are real sensitive require more packing space between them per DOT shipping regulations.

Sooo, does anyone have the dimensions of the Wolf sleeve as compared to CCI or better yet a comparison photo showing CCI, Wolf, Federal sleeves? From what he was saying there should be more space between the Federals than the CCI. The Wolf is unknown to them at this time.

 

[Rule3]

A follow up on the discussion of Wolf primers and the Lee hand held priming tool.
Just as a FYI, I called Lee Precision and spoke with John about the use of Wolf primers. He stated that they had not yet tested them and will do so in the near future. He asked me about what size the package was (individual sleeve) as this is a indication of of how sensitive they are due to to whatever compound is used in the primer. He stated is has nothing to do with the "hardness" of the primer but what compound is used. I have never seen a a Wolf or Federal sleeve of primers having only used CCI.
Apparently the primers that are real sensitive require more packing space between them per DOT shipping regulations.

Sooo, does anyone have the dimensions of the Wolf sleeve as compared to CCI or better yet a comparison photo showing CCI, Wolf, Federal sleeves? From what he was saying there should be more space between the Federals than the CCI. The Wolf is unknown to them at this time.

 

[dg101win]

I have Wolf and Winchester primers here large and small pistol ones. The packaging is the same just different colored boxes and printing is all.
Used to use CCI years ago. With their packaging the primers layed on their side right next to each other 10 to a row 10 rows. This resulted in a smaller package.
Hope this helps.

 

[Rule3]

Originally posted by dg101win:
I have Wolf and Winchester primers here large and small pistol ones. The packaging is the same just different colored boxes and printing is all.
Used to use CCI years ago. With their packaging the primers layed on their side right next to each other 10 to a row 10 rows. This resulted in a smaller package.
Hope this helps.

That probably is a good sign if the spacing bewteen the primers is the same. I guess the Federals are spaced farther apart.

 

[duckloads]

FWIW

the Winchester pack is approx 0.2" larger than the CCI pack of LP primers.

 

[rundownfid]

That fits as the Federal are in a huge package and are supposed to be the "softest".

 

[FrankD45]

I just measured Wolf and Winchester small pistol packages. I measured the plastic along the length of the primer column and found the Winchester WSP measured 3.060 while the Wolf small pistol measured 2.935. Based on your info the larger package should be the "softest". My experience with Winchester and Wolf is opposite. My S&W .38 Specials which have lightened triggers will only function reliably in DA with the Wolf primers. I have tested this with a Model 36 (no dash) and a model 67-1.

I hope that helps,

Frank

 

[CGM]

Guys....

I have been using wolf primers for over six mos in small and large pistol. They work fine. I havent made any scientific testing other than using them for my bullseye competition. My scores have not been impacted....that's all I care about.

I think worrying about the size of packaging may be "overthinking" the issue!

 

[Rule3]

Please re read the original post. The "size" of packaging was only a clue as to if the Wolf Primers were safe to use in the Lee hand held priming tool.
It has nothing to do with if they are good and go bang each time. The "hardness" or "softness" of the primer strike is not the issue either, it is the compound used in the specific primer. As posted, the Federal have more space between them as the compound is more volatile and needs the space to prevent a chain reaction.

 

[oldRoger]

I have an article somewhere about primer construction by Chas. Petty. The basic metal used in the pistol primer cup is the same industry wide as far as hardness and thickness goes, the key is a material which will draw into the proper shape. He says that the cup material strength does not vary significantly between manufacturers.
The cup material used for small rifle primers is slightly thicker and again varies little between manufacturers..
A better term for the difference we are discussing is the one used by OCD1, that is "sensitivity" and is due to the primer compound, perhaps the manufacturing technique used, and may vary lot to lot. Does sensitivity vary? Very evidently it does. Does primer energy vary? Also evidently it does.
I suspect that the primer manufacturers could give us a sensitivity and energy chart like a burn rate chart. I also suspect that this is an area where the wise manufacturer will not tread.

 

[CGM]

OCD1....

Sorry. I stand corrected.

 

[Rule3]

Originally posted by oldRoger:
I have an article somewhere about primer construction by Chas. Petty. The basic metal used in the pistol primer cup is the same industry wide as far as hardness and thickness goes, the key is a material which will draw into the proper shape. He says that the cup material strength does not vary significantly between manufacturers.
The cup material used for small rifle primers is slightly thicker and again varies little between manufacturers..
A better term for the difference we are discussing is the one used by OCD1, that is "sensitivity" and is due to the primer compound, perhaps the manufacturing technique used, and may vary lot to lot. Does sensitivity vary? Very evidently it does. Does primer energy vary? Also evidently it does.
I suspect that the primer manufacturers could give us a sensitivity and energy chart like a burn rate chart. I also suspect that this is an area where the wise manufacturer will not tread.

This is almost exactly what Lee told me.

CGM, no need to. No problem