Dude was shot 15 times with a 45 and lived, and no he wasn't hopped up on drugs.
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For All The Hard Core 45 ACP People
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45acp just punches holes like all other calibers. There's nothing special about it. The vast majority of human beings shot every year with handgun rounds survive including those who are shot by 45acp and 10mm. Even still, there are some who think 45acp is "hard hitting" or a "one shot stopper," and they'll ignorantly will argue about it until they're blue in the face.
All that matters most with handgun rounds is shot placement and penetration. Period.
All that matters most with handgun rounds is shot placement and penetration. Period.
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Saw a writeup in a magazine once. It might have been The Ayoob Files, but I'm not sure. Two guys got into an argument in an apartment hallway. At some point it was decided that both would arm themselves and kill the other one. One got his .45 and one his .22. The guy with the .45 emptied his gun at the other guy, hitting him 5 times, I think. The guy with the .22 shot once, hitting the other guy in the chest and continuing through his heart. .45 guy was DRT. .22 guy limped back to his apartment and called 911. He made it.
2 of the things I took from it:
1. Placement is key, not caliber.
2. They were both complete idiots. Don't be a complete idiot.
2 of the things I took from it:
1. Placement is key, not caliber.
2. They were both complete idiots. Don't be a complete idiot.
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Having been shot can agree on the few second delay in realizing you have been shot. Lucky for me was a 22 RF but in the back just missing my spine and causing left lung to collapse. Actual gun shot was nothing compared to when they “stabbed” the drain tube in between my ribs to drain lung sack. Felt sorry for the good looking nurse that was holding my right hand as I about broke her hand when the tube went in. 1975 was a long time ago……
OORAH!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!
Agree on points 1 & 2 above.
BTW, "center mass" is not placement. It is a general area which includes many lethal and non-lethal placements, and some of the lethal ones are not instantly disabling.
A word to the wise is sufficient.
BTW, "center mass" is not placement. It is a general area which includes many lethal and non-lethal placements, and some of the lethal ones are not instantly disabling.
A word to the wise is sufficient.
The young man is a Marine. It’s hard to kill a Marine.
This video is better than a Hollywood show. It is amazing he lived to tell this tale. And to think he returned fire and actually hit the assailant with his gun upside down, in his non-dominant, firing with his pinky, is truly astounding.
Thank you for posting this.
This video is better than a Hollywood show. It is amazing he lived to tell this tale. And to think he returned fire and actually hit the assailant with his gun upside down, in his non-dominant, firing with his pinky, is truly astounding.
Thank you for posting this.
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Even good shot placement is no guarantee.
Kevin
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Placement is key. Not caliber..........Should be a proverb.........You could saw off one's leg with a 30 rd clip from an M16 and they still live. Don't put much stock on OP's post...........Same way with a large animal...Bad shot animal runs and dies later OR Lives to see another day.
That was a riveting video. I'm amazed by the man's presence of mind under those conditions and his recall of the event. His general toughness helped him through, but I'd say Marine Corps training had as big or bigger part in his survival. An amazing guy.
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Not so much the training, but the mindset it instills.
Placement is king. Caliber - big enough to do the job.
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Fair enough, now why don't you tell everyone what you carry because surely no such cases exist for whatever you carry, right?
Folks love to post articles such as these as proof that a round can fail, but what everyone fails to recognize is that such stories make headlines in the first place because they aren't common occurrences.
Folks love to post articles such as these as proof that a round can fail, but what everyone fails to recognize is that such stories make headlines in the first place because they aren't common occurrences.
Don't know about this particular event but some of these media stories about being shot many times have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. All hits, including grazes or holes through clothing that never touch flesh are counted as "shots".
I trust a 45 and a other cartridges but you most use the right bullet for the job and you must be able to place them well .
Years ago up one night in the early AM I watched some TV ER show . A kid about 12 was brought in shot 7 times with what turned out to be a round nose 45acp and he went home after a 4 or 5 days in the hospital . He was lucky that no bones where hit and the Surgeon stated organs seem to have been pushed out of the way do to the round nose jacketed bullets not damaged . The transfer of kinetic energy seen with hp bullets was not there . Boy was lucky.
Now my lw commander is filled with 230gr ranger t-series hp or hst and I know from hunting those two bullets work well on live game . Same can be side for some 40sw underwood loads I've used on deer .
That cop in the story - Why I carry 147 round of 9mm - fired almost all his 45acp ammo that hit a bad guy 14 times . Most bullets when thru his windshield first and did not expend as designs but the last was a hit to the head put the bad guy down yet he still live a while longer . This bad guy waa sober and drug free . Just a meanness in him for LE .
Lots of luck can be found for many people shot specially in big city's using cheap round nose copper clad bullets .
Remember there's an Alaska guide that killed a grizzly with a few hits from a 9mm . Right 9mm bullet and load worked well enough and a world record grizzly was killed with a 22lr to .
If the OP]s rehash of this story makes him think a 45 is got really any good than move on to what you feel is best .
Years ago up one night in the early AM I watched some TV ER show . A kid about 12 was brought in shot 7 times with what turned out to be a round nose 45acp and he went home after a 4 or 5 days in the hospital . He was lucky that no bones where hit and the Surgeon stated organs seem to have been pushed out of the way do to the round nose jacketed bullets not damaged . The transfer of kinetic energy seen with hp bullets was not there . Boy was lucky.
Now my lw commander is filled with 230gr ranger t-series hp or hst and I know from hunting those two bullets work well on live game . Same can be side for some 40sw underwood loads I've used on deer .
That cop in the story - Why I carry 147 round of 9mm - fired almost all his 45acp ammo that hit a bad guy 14 times . Most bullets when thru his windshield first and did not expend as designs but the last was a hit to the head put the bad guy down yet he still live a while longer . This bad guy waa sober and drug free . Just a meanness in him for LE .
Lots of luck can be found for many people shot specially in big city's using cheap round nose copper clad bullets .
Remember there's an Alaska guide that killed a grizzly with a few hits from a 9mm . Right 9mm bullet and load worked well enough and a world record grizzly was killed with a 22lr to .
If the OP]s rehash of this story makes him think a 45 is got really any good than move on to what you feel is best .
Buddy of mine is a retired cop. Got in a shooting with a perp once, they shot him with a 357 mag in the head. Thought he was dead, and had called the coroner. Heard him groaning and found out he wasn't dead. The round skipped off his skull and had just knocked him out. Shallow entry at sharp angle. He lived.
Rosewood
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There is a man with true grit.
Of course placement is king but can you do it under stress when someone is firing back?
AJ
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Even good shot placement is no guarantee.
Kevin
Proof that the "Failure To Stop" Drill does not work 100% of the time!
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People have taken shots to the head and survived, this means zero. Anyone can get lucky.
Trace Adkins was shot through the heart and survived?
My buddy had a dissected aorta at home and survived?
Luck or grace?
FWIW, I've switched from this 45acp as daily (98%):
To this Tangfoglio 10mm and Hi Power 9mm simply for a higher round count. 15+1
Trace Adkins was shot through the heart and survived?
My buddy had a dissected aorta at home and survived?
Luck or grace?
FWIW, I've switched from this 45acp as daily (98%):
To this Tangfoglio 10mm and Hi Power 9mm simply for a higher round count. 15+1
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AJ,
The story behind that shot,
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A lot of information can also be found on civil war talk, this lad was not the only one.
Kevin
