?? for Ca owners

[aslowdodge]

I was looking at the round limiters so you can take a standard 25 round mag and insert these to make them Ca legal at 10 rounds. Does this work or will you be harrassed because the magazine can be easily brought back to 25 if you take it out?

 

[mariodesmo]

It's supposed to be permanent. It is my understanding that you cannot simply remove the obstruction or modification allowing more than 10 rounds in a magazine.

Also, a funny part of the law is that it is illegal to import, sell, give, or transfer a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. It is not illegal to own one that exceeds 10 rounds.

 

[Rustpot]

Also, a funny part of the law is that it is illegal to import, sell, give, or transfer a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. It is not illegal to own one that exceeds 10 rounds.

That part allows grandfathering for pre-ban owners. They can't get more, only repair what they have or sell outside the state.

Is there a reason the 10-round factory magazines will not work? Do you want to limit capacity while in the state and remove the limiter while traveling?

The magazine needs to be incapable without permanent modification of holding more than 10 rounds.

 

[aslowdodge]

That part allows grandfathering for pre-ban owners. They can't get more, only repair what they have or sell outside the state.

Is there a reason the 10-round factory magazines will not work? Do you want to limit capacity while in the state and remove the limiter while traveling?

The magazine needs to be incapable without permanent modification of holding more than 10 rounds.

That was the idea- to make them Ca compliant, but if I move out of state I wanted to bring them back to 25 round capacity.

 

[Rustpot]

That was the idea- to make them Ca compliant, but if I move out of state I wanted to bring them back to 25 round capacity.

The 10 round mags can be permanently modified to accept 25 once you move out of CA. I live in a state with no mag limits and have 2 10 round magazines, both took 30 seconds with a drill to remove the item blocking the follower.

You can keep a punch or a small screw driver in your range bag to use instead of the load assist knobs, which is probably even easier.

 

[aslowdodge]

Thanks for the info guys. Guess I'll order some 10 rnd from SW and convert later.

 

[missiondude]

There is much discussion about what is "permanent". The 10/20 and 10/30 mags from various vendors can be converted to full capacity with tools and time. Some only have a tab punched into the mag body, which could easily be bent back. I converted some 25 round mags with a spacer and then riveted the base plate. Can not be made back into full capacity without tools and time. That is a level of permanance I am comfortable with, your comfort level may vary. IMHO, the only true permanent 10 round mag is the short mags without enought length in the body to accomodate any more rounds, although I guess 2 could be welded together to make a longer higher capacity mag.

 

[scottd1975]

Ok i asked a lawyer who deals with firearms. If the clip can in anyway hold more than ten rounds and was bought after the "grandfather date" it is illegal whatever block is put in there to make a 10 round can be taken out. If you want to stay completely legal stay 10 round mags only. and since this gun was first sold way after the mag ban for that part number you will never have a legal mag in cali for this gun over 10 rounds

 

[HalfSwiss]

Scott,

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "it is illegal whatever block is put in there to make a 10 round can be taken out". S&W California compliant 15-22's come with the 25 round (minus the ALAB and with a blue follower instead of orange) pinned so it can only take 10 rounds. If I interpret you correctly, you are saying that any block can be deactivated therefore the long 10 round mags are illegal. That obviously conflicts with the fact that S&W legally sold long 10 rounders in California. I've also read somewhere that 25 round mags have been sold in parts along with a limiter to California residents who then assembled them with the limiters. rrages.com also sold 25 round mags (orange followers and ALABs) that had been pinned so as to accept only 10 rounds. So, I suspect I'm not interpretting your statement correctly, as it's written. Can you clarify? Thanks.

 

[BELT_FED]

One more reason why i hang my hat in Tennessee

 

[HalfSwiss]

Rubbing it in

Belt Fed,

Don't rub it in, we have it bad enough as it is out here.

 

[scottd1975]

im sorry what i meant to say is that if they arent made like you say by the manufacture such as smith and wesson, you cant just modify a clip on your own and it be legal. the clips that can take 25 rounds or more but are modified by the gun manufacture is legal home modified clips arent.

 

[aslowdodge]

so when sw sells a shorty 10rnd and a standard 25 pinned to 10rnd ( like what comes on Ca guns) both are legal?

 

[scottd1975]

yes... if you get them from smith and wesson

 

[missiondude]

im sorry what i meant to say is that if they arent made like you say by the manufacture such as smith and wesson, you cant just modify a clip on your own and it be legal. the clips that can take 25 rounds or more but are modified by the gun manufacture is legal home modified clips arent.

Show me where in the California PC it says 10/25 mags made by S&W or other manufacturer are legal, and home brew 10/25 mags are not. My home brew 10/25 mags are way more permanent than CProducts or some other manufacturers. Cproducts 10/25 mags can have the base plate removed with a tooth pick, and the tab bent with a flat screwdriver.

 

[Aceman58]

Sorry the conversion has to be permanant, which means, you can not alter back to the high capacity. I own 3 Magpul PMAG 10/30, purchased from a dealer, the base is crazy clued and it can not be returned to its original 30 capacity. Welcome to Commifornia..

 

[off road]

This has never been an issue for me, so I never looked into it....but does the magazine limit actually apply to rimfire, vs centerfire only???

 

[Jav]

Sorry the conversion has to be permanant, which means, you can not alter back to the high capacity. I own 3 Magpul PMAG 10/30, purchased from a dealer, the base is crazy clued and it can not be returned to its original 30 capacity. Welcome to Commifornia..

I post on a CA gun forum and it's a pretty common debate on what exactly "permanent" is as the law itself is really vague(among other Cali gun laws). It doesn't state at all that it has to be welded, super glued, riveted to be permanent. I don't own an AR-15 yet but I am comfortable with just the magpul limiter in there and that's it. The thing is one piece and is a limiter + floor plate thingy. I would just throw out the regular one and use the limiter for a magazine parts kit. If someone takes out the bottom piece to disassemble the magazine, it isn't a magazine anymore! Just parts that so happen to make a magazine so I wouldn't be given **** that I have a 'high cap' magazine. The things that people use to make these followers "permanent" aren't exactly permanent. Welds and rivets can be broken. That's my opinion/take on it.

This has never been an issue for me, so I never looked into it....but does the magazine limit actually apply to rimfire, vs centerfire only???

Yeah, it applies to rimfire too. Unless you have magazines before 1/1/2000, you can't use mags with a higher capacity than 10. There's no way you can use a 25 rounder here in CA for the 15-22 because it's a recent production, there were none made before 2000 so you can't get smart with a police officer It only takes S&W mags.

 

[tacticool22]

Good luck in Kalifornistan. Maybe you could rivet the floor plate on and get a permission slip from your local Judge or Sheriff.

 

[Aceman58]

Here is what 12020(c) says:

Large-capacity magazine restrictions - Calguns Wiki
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Manufacturing non large-capacity magazines
Penal Code 12020 (c)(25) states:

12020 (c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine"
means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of
the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
This means that one can manufacture non large-capacity magazines if the alterations to what would otherwise be a large-capacity magazine are permanent.

In sworn testimony, representatives of the California Department of Justice have stated that it is their opinion that the types of modifications presented in the failed "detachable magazine permanence" rulemaking would suffice to be permanent alterations to large-capacity magazines to exclude them from the law. The relevant alterations from the failed rulemaking include:

Continuous ribbon or ribbons of welding
A rivet fixed in place with epoxy