For Carry, Which Hi-Cap choice & Why?
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Spotteddog
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There are no side tracks Buff, just the journey! As I get older slower and weaker, my criteria is changing. Perhaps I'm over compensating! 'Cause anymore, I can shoot far better than I once could fight?
Jeepguy, My appearance critique of the X-D compact was merely cosmetic. Though only shooting it once, the first .40S&W chambered gun I fired was a 4 1/4" one. It was very accurate for the type I thought. Had no clue about that magazine trick?
Tom, I have a CDP Ultra currently (6+ years) She's the right size, but a bit light in on board. Fine gun, very accurate, great sights and trigger. 3 30 round M-1 Carbine magazines, and an 870 have the zombies covered! If they're further, a Garand, if still further a Sako Finnbear.
Thanks to all of you folks once again, for sharing your wisdom and choices!
Jeepguy, My appearance critique of the X-D compact was merely cosmetic. Though only shooting it once, the first .40S&W chambered gun I fired was a 4 1/4" one. It was very accurate for the type I thought. Had no clue about that magazine trick?
Tom, I have a CDP Ultra currently (6+ years) She's the right size, but a bit light in on board. Fine gun, very accurate, great sights and trigger. 3 30 round M-1 Carbine magazines, and an 870 have the zombies covered! If they're further, a Garand, if still further a Sako Finnbear.
Thanks to all of you folks once again, for sharing your wisdom and choices!
speedshooter
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Originally posted by Jim H:
Try on both the M&P and the Sigma. Both are high capacity, both should feel really good in your hand, both will get the job done, and the Sigma will leave more $$ in your pocket to stimulate the economy elsewhere too!
I agree gives you some extra $$$$ for BLAMMO!!!
Keep your 1911's for target shooting, though.
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Spotteddog
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Kurt,
What model Beretta is that? I assume a 9MM?
What model Beretta is that? I assume a 9MM?
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The Glocks are hard to beat for capacity, detail stripping, parts replacement, and lightweight. Changing their grip can cost $300 - $400. My .40 Glocks were not as reliable as my .40 Hi Powers.
Here is one proven 9X19 "hi-cap" famous throughout the world.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerandHammerBite.htm
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html
Here is one proven 9X19 "hi-cap" famous throughout the world.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerandHammerBite.htm
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html
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And the S&W 5906s are still a good choice. Bulletproof guns.
KurtC
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Spotteddog,
Yes, it is a hi-capacity 9mm in DAO. Model 8000D Inox. Beretta USA never imported any of the DAO Cougars in stainless. This one came into the US thru an import company, along with a few dozen others.
Yes, it is a hi-capacity 9mm in DAO. Model 8000D Inox. Beretta USA never imported any of the DAO Cougars in stainless. This one came into the US thru an import company, along with a few dozen others.
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Spotteddog
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And what if I may ask, is the trigger quality?
KurtC
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Any of the Beretta D models (92, 96, Cougar) will have the smoothest, slickest, full stroke DAO trigger on the market. Beretta designed the D model back when departments were transitioning from revolver to wonder 9. It feels like you are shooting a finely tuned S&W revolver.
I have them in .45, .357 Sig and 9mm.
I have them in .45, .357 Sig and 9mm.
sw44spl
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I say the glock 17,19,26 or the 5906 or 6906
Pre 29
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I gave a lot of thought to this subjuct a couple of years ago.I own 60 or 70 handguns and have been through a bunch more over the years.There are a lot of guns that would work but for my money the Glock 23 is the best fighting handgun in the world.I could live with the 19 I just like the.40 better.Weight,size,capacity,power,reliabilty,everything I require is there.As far as accuracy I have no problem making head shots at 25 yrds. standing two handed.It's your but so you choose.One thing,having a 25 yrd. indoor range on the other side of this wall beside me lets us keep track of which guns work and which don't.The good news is most guns work well as long as folks don't screw em up and feed em right.Good luck,Ricci.
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Spotteddog
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Once again,
THANKS to ALL of you for taking the time to help me with this!
THANKS to ALL of you for taking the time to help me with this!
gmchenry
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If you want capacity, the 33 round Glock 18 mags fit the semi-autos too.
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Spotteddog
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Well GMC,
As long as it's a "pre-(11-08')ban magazine", I figure I'd be safe with it? I'd sure look like Chester in Gunsmoke trying to walk around with it though!
As long as it's a "pre-(11-08')ban magazine", I figure I'd be safe with it? I'd sure look like Chester in Gunsmoke trying to walk around with it though!
Hawgleg44
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Over the years, I've owned just about every handgun I could get my hands on.
I went through my S&W DAO 3rd Gen stage, but I don't use just them anymore, and the only one I carry at all is my 3953. It's a good warm weather carry gun since it's so slim, and it disappears under just a tank top when using a Bianchi Model 100 IWB holster. S&W TDA's have the nicest DA triggers out of anything I've tried, but I just don't like the transition from DA to SA, so I stuck with their 3rd Gen DAO's when I shot them.
I went through some Sigs, but I simply hate their factory DA triggers. I like their DAK's, but unless you send your Sig off to Bruce Gray at Gray Guns for an action job, their triggers are some of the worst on the market, IMO.
Rugers? Well, they do work and are adequately accurate, but they are big and clunky. You could do worse, but you can also do a lot better.
Then there's the SA XD. Since I live in MA, we can't have them, but I did get to shoot an XD .45 owned by a student at a Bruce Gray class. Nice gun, and I was very impressed. I'd probably buy an XD .45 if I could here, but that's not going to ever happen due to MA laws.
How about the Berettas. I have a 96 and I love it. It has probably the 2nd best DA trigger pull, behind S&W 3rd Gen autos, and their SA pull breaks cleanly. I only have a full size, so anything but cold weather CCW is out of the question, but a compact version could change my mind. They are good guns.
CZ's? I just got lucky enough to find a CZ75B .40 2-tone for sale here in MA and I snagged it at light speed. It's one of the most ergonomic pistols I've ever felt before and the accuracy is outstanding. I don't concern myself with the DA trigger pull since cocked and locked is the only way to carry it anyway. There is a little creep and overtravel in the trigger, but Karl Sokol at Chestnut Mountain Sports is taking care of that for me. It could be my next favorite pistol after the trigger job and I spend some time with it.
Sigmas? They are accurate, reliable, affordable and ergonomic pistols with a trigger you can either shoot or can't. Most people complain about the trigger, but I've never had a problem with it. But, if CCW use is your primary concern, it's just that much larger than a Glock 19/23/32 that it's just a little harder and less comfortable to conceal. And, the selection of quality holsters for it are much smaller than a Glock.
So, now on to the Glocks. I've tried very had to dislike Glocks, and I resisted for many years. But, although I think Glocks are ugly and definately have a few things I would change about them, they are good guns. They are accurate, extremely reliable, affordable (especially when it comes to mags, you can buy boxes of them and still have money left over for ammo to fill them), and extremely simple to work on. All you need is a punch to completely disassemble everything except for the sights! Don't like the trigger pull? Lighten it or add weight to it for less than $20 using only, you guessed it, a punch. Want to detail strip it for a complete cleaning? No problem, as long as you have, yup, a punch.
Yes, you will find the grip angle difficult at first since you've shot 1911's for so long, but don't give up that easily. I know I adapted to the grip angle quickly, and actually found that it's very accurate. You do have to break your wrist downward a little to point it, but I've found it locks your arm right where it has to be for a solid grip.
Like I said, I tried to resist the pull of the Glock, but I couldn't. Now, I have 10 Glocks in 9mm, .40, 10mm and .45acp. What would I change about them? Their barrels. If you are planning to shoot nothing but factory ammo, then you don't have a problem. But, I cast all my own bullets and reload, which is a very bad combo with a factory Glock barrel due to their polygonal rifling and lack of chamber support. The solution? A $99 Lone Wolf barrel solves my problem. I have one that will fit all of my Glocks.
For standard CCW use, I usually use the G23. I find it to be a good compromise between power, being a .40, and size. It's not too small to accurately shoot, but it's not too large to make it difficult to conceal, either. When it's just a little to large, I toss my subcompact G27 on my side instead, but the 2 spare mags I carry are the same ones I carry for the G23, full-size G22 15-round mags. Sure, they stick out the bottom a little, but if I already went through the magazine loaded in my carry gun, I want all the rounds I can possibly load at one time. For range use, I usually use one of my G17's, usually an old Gen 1 G17. I find it to be more comfortable with its even texturing compared to my Gen 2 and Gen 3 G17's. I used my old Gen 1 G17 with a set of Hi-Viz fiber optic sights for a Practical Fundamentals steel/IPSC type class with Bruce Gray this past April and it worked out extremely well. To my surprise, I was the only Glock shooter there.
Someone mentioned the BHP. I have one, and it is a good gun, but unless you send it off to a reputable gunsmith, again, like Karl Sokol, the trigger leaves a LOT to be desired. Another problem I have with my BHP is that my hands are huge, and the damn thing bite me. I don't know about you, but bleeding after a few mags kind of ruins my shooting day. After Karl finished my CZ, I'm sending the BHP to him for an action job and the addition of a beavertail, too.
I hope this very opinionated, long-winded response helps a little.
I went through my S&W DAO 3rd Gen stage, but I don't use just them anymore, and the only one I carry at all is my 3953. It's a good warm weather carry gun since it's so slim, and it disappears under just a tank top when using a Bianchi Model 100 IWB holster. S&W TDA's have the nicest DA triggers out of anything I've tried, but I just don't like the transition from DA to SA, so I stuck with their 3rd Gen DAO's when I shot them.
I went through some Sigs, but I simply hate their factory DA triggers. I like their DAK's, but unless you send your Sig off to Bruce Gray at Gray Guns for an action job, their triggers are some of the worst on the market, IMO.
Rugers? Well, they do work and are adequately accurate, but they are big and clunky. You could do worse, but you can also do a lot better.
Then there's the SA XD. Since I live in MA, we can't have them, but I did get to shoot an XD .45 owned by a student at a Bruce Gray class. Nice gun, and I was very impressed. I'd probably buy an XD .45 if I could here, but that's not going to ever happen due to MA laws.
How about the Berettas. I have a 96 and I love it. It has probably the 2nd best DA trigger pull, behind S&W 3rd Gen autos, and their SA pull breaks cleanly. I only have a full size, so anything but cold weather CCW is out of the question, but a compact version could change my mind. They are good guns.
CZ's? I just got lucky enough to find a CZ75B .40 2-tone for sale here in MA and I snagged it at light speed. It's one of the most ergonomic pistols I've ever felt before and the accuracy is outstanding. I don't concern myself with the DA trigger pull since cocked and locked is the only way to carry it anyway. There is a little creep and overtravel in the trigger, but Karl Sokol at Chestnut Mountain Sports is taking care of that for me. It could be my next favorite pistol after the trigger job and I spend some time with it.
Sigmas? They are accurate, reliable, affordable and ergonomic pistols with a trigger you can either shoot or can't. Most people complain about the trigger, but I've never had a problem with it. But, if CCW use is your primary concern, it's just that much larger than a Glock 19/23/32 that it's just a little harder and less comfortable to conceal. And, the selection of quality holsters for it are much smaller than a Glock.
So, now on to the Glocks. I've tried very had to dislike Glocks, and I resisted for many years. But, although I think Glocks are ugly and definately have a few things I would change about them, they are good guns. They are accurate, extremely reliable, affordable (especially when it comes to mags, you can buy boxes of them and still have money left over for ammo to fill them), and extremely simple to work on. All you need is a punch to completely disassemble everything except for the sights! Don't like the trigger pull? Lighten it or add weight to it for less than $20 using only, you guessed it, a punch. Want to detail strip it for a complete cleaning? No problem, as long as you have, yup, a punch.
Yes, you will find the grip angle difficult at first since you've shot 1911's for so long, but don't give up that easily. I know I adapted to the grip angle quickly, and actually found that it's very accurate. You do have to break your wrist downward a little to point it, but I've found it locks your arm right where it has to be for a solid grip.
Like I said, I tried to resist the pull of the Glock, but I couldn't. Now, I have 10 Glocks in 9mm, .40, 10mm and .45acp. What would I change about them? Their barrels. If you are planning to shoot nothing but factory ammo, then you don't have a problem. But, I cast all my own bullets and reload, which is a very bad combo with a factory Glock barrel due to their polygonal rifling and lack of chamber support. The solution? A $99 Lone Wolf barrel solves my problem. I have one that will fit all of my Glocks.
For standard CCW use, I usually use the G23. I find it to be a good compromise between power, being a .40, and size. It's not too small to accurately shoot, but it's not too large to make it difficult to conceal, either. When it's just a little to large, I toss my subcompact G27 on my side instead, but the 2 spare mags I carry are the same ones I carry for the G23, full-size G22 15-round mags. Sure, they stick out the bottom a little, but if I already went through the magazine loaded in my carry gun, I want all the rounds I can possibly load at one time. For range use, I usually use one of my G17's, usually an old Gen 1 G17. I find it to be more comfortable with its even texturing compared to my Gen 2 and Gen 3 G17's. I used my old Gen 1 G17 with a set of Hi-Viz fiber optic sights for a Practical Fundamentals steel/IPSC type class with Bruce Gray this past April and it worked out extremely well. To my surprise, I was the only Glock shooter there.
Someone mentioned the BHP. I have one, and it is a good gun, but unless you send it off to a reputable gunsmith, again, like Karl Sokol, the trigger leaves a LOT to be desired. Another problem I have with my BHP is that my hands are huge, and the damn thing bite me. I don't know about you, but bleeding after a few mags kind of ruins my shooting day. After Karl finished my CZ, I'm sending the BHP to him for an action job and the addition of a beavertail, too.
I hope this very opinionated, long-winded response helps a little.
Bullman
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I am pretty partial to the Smith 6906, not to big, yet small enough to conceal well. I have a 6904 at present, the blue steel version of the gun. If you wanted DAO, look for a 6946. Lots of departments have traded these in for newer guns and often you can get these for a steal price at the gun shows.
And as far as the D model Beretta's, our department issues the 96D and I think it must be the worst gun ever built, I hear nothing but complaints about how heavy the triggers are. The one they issued me wouldn't even go off. I have the option to carry their Beretta or my own Glock 22, so I chose my personal owned Glock.
And as far as the D model Beretta's, our department issues the 96D and I think it must be the worst gun ever built, I hear nothing but complaints about how heavy the triggers are. The one they issued me wouldn't even go off. I have the option to carry their Beretta or my own Glock 22, so I chose my personal owned Glock.
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Spotteddog
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This has all been really great stuff and I'm bookmarking this thread, just so I can go back to it and re-read all the excellent information!
THANKS once again, to all the fine Forum folks!
THANKS once again, to all the fine Forum folks!
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Spotteddog
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The new(er) Sig Sauer 250....
Any negatives by you folks?
Any negatives by you folks?
TAC
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I'm a big fan of SIGs, but I think the 250 looks boxy, like a Glock. Also the extra caliber kits are over priced, making it more sensible to just buy another complete gun instead.
bwh
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Glock 19. 'nuff said. Most of the 'grip angle angst' is imaginary. Shoot it a few times and you'll get used to it. In my experience (I've owned three) Glocks have proven to be the most reliable and accurate handguns right out of the box. Parts are everywhere (and cheap!) and they are easy to work on.
If you can live with a TDA pistol, the 6906 is a real dandy of a carry gun. Almost high capacity, small, lightweight, easily carried concealed.
If you can live with a TDA pistol, the 6906 is a real dandy of a carry gun. Almost high capacity, small, lightweight, easily carried concealed.
