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I need a generator to be used on some hunting property in SW Va. I moved up from a tent to a 12x16 shop building this week. Plan on building a house maybe next yr, but in the interim I may stay over a night or two in this building. Would just run some lights, a fan on the monitory oil heater, maybe a small frig. I've never had a generator .... would appreciate some experienced advice on size, type etc.

thanks

Charlie
 
Well for that you could probably get away with one of those 1000 watt generators. Noise is important. If you only run it in the evening it'll probably use a tank of gasoline each evening. If you go very big, i would look at a propane generator. The gasoline ones aren't really designed for fuel with alcohol in it.
 
Generators are almost like guns when it comes to opinions about them. I personally like my Honda 1000. I hear others suggest that I should have bought the 2000 becaue its not a whole lot more $. I looked and decided I liked the smaller, lighter and quieter one. The appliances I run don't exceed that total of 1000 watts. And its so quiet you almost don't know its running. But it also won't run an air conditioner.

Generators become unwieldy when you try to run them all night. For that kind of service you need a larger one. The thing that will probably determine the model and brand is your budget and the items you want running at the same time. You can spend a few hundred bucks at the Lowes, Sam's, or Home Despot and pick up one with 2000-4000 watts. It will work just fine for a few years. Because it uses a Briggs engine it will be loud and probably drink its share of fuel.

I would advise against you buying a used one. No reason to purchase someone's problems. Pay for your own. The history of generators as I know it is they work fine the first few years. But once a problem develops, it just seems like a never ending stream of little things until it finally dies. Or you sell it to let someone have the trouble and just get out from under it.

One good reason to buy one at a big box is because its cheap and will provide an education on what you like and don't. The disadvantage is that it will be fairly big and heavy. If you leave it someplace like a camp, it will get stolen. If you spring for the Honda, it will be so painful financially that you'll take it home with you each weekend or whatever. But they're small and clean and you'll take it.
 
I have a 5000 watt that would do you just fine. It was used once when we had a hurricane. It cost a little over $500 new. Now all you have to do is to head up I95 on your next trip north and stop in Goldsboro and you can have it for $250. If you are interested let me know.
 
I've had a Honda EU200 for several years. It reliably starts when the cord is pulled and is very quiet. Unless it's for a very specific task that 1k will operate and you'll never want a bit more than that, I'd pass on the 1k and get the 2k. There isn't much price difference and they both carry like a briefcase.
 
crsides, Generators are like gun safes, go about double what you think you will need. Light bulbs are 100w, heater fan could be 50-100w so 4 bulbs and the heater is 500 watts. A refrig does not pull that much running but the startup pull will be 3-4x the running rate. You didn't mention water. If you might run a pump think in the much higher range of power. A 5000 watt would not start a 1 hp jet pump to get water to my house during power outages years back. When that pump went out I replace it with a submersible 1 hp that only pulls about 4000w startup. You also mentioned maybe building a house on the property later, If there is no power available get one that will supply what you need for building the house.
I personally have three of them. When the power is out, it is out at three houses of the family, so one at each house. Get one that has a 5000w continuous rating and you will be fine. A couple of tips, keep the fuel stabilized and run the carb dry when you put it up. Saves a lot of problems.
My $.02, Larry
 
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Up where we live, it's a 70 mile out of state trip to the nearest Walmart. We usually come down out of the mountains once a month to stock up.
Last summer, after we had stocked up, we lost power for about a week. We had 3 freezers and 2 refrigerators freshly stocked up and ended up driving all over creation in search of ice to keep the food cold. We didn't lose much and we did a lot if grillin' so it all turned out alright.
But after that we decided to get a portable generator. We didn't want no namby pamby generator and got a 5000 watt Homelite unit with a 6 hour fuel tank. Now when we lose power we just roll it out of the garage and crank it up, run extension cords and connect whatever we want to it. When we're done, we shut it off and roll it back into the garage. If we're going to store it for a while, it has a drain plug on the float bowl.
 
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Hey Charlie,
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I am looking at a brochure I picked up at the show in W-S. It is solar powered and doesn't seem to need gasoline. You can look over the specs and if this will supply your needs it seems to be more environmentally friendly. Hope this helps.
 
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I've got one of the little 3500W Champions from Lowe's, runs everything in my RV with no problems. Isn't too heavy, and is surprisingly quiet for it's size and price range, not as quiet as the Honda's but for under 400 bucks it's perfect for my needs.
 
Hey, Hey SW VA is a great spot. And as Mr Burg said the Honda is a great machine. Last summer in SWVa we lost power for 4 days and this winter for 3 days. The little red machine ran like a champ and it didn't scare away the deer and turkey.

Enjoy!
 
I have 6 generators, 3 of which no longer work.
I live in the country now but before we built we used the “cheep” generators, they last about a year thus 3 no longer working. When we (wife, 3 boys and I) started building we decided to go solar stand alone (no grid connect). We build a large shed to live in while we built the house and at the time we had a 4kva Kobota. Because of the way things panned out the power system was 2 months away so that meant running the generator every night at about $25 of fuel per night and a very loud generator rumbling away. After doing the sums of a Honda running at around $5 a night and purchase cost of $2000 we bought one. That was June 2009, Late December 2009 the solar power system was finished and turned on, the Honda easily paid for itself and still runs like new after maybe 2000 hours.
To assist the solar power system on days with no sun we purchased a 8KVA Honda and that runs like a dream but can be heard for miles. This one is heavy and takes 2 or more to lift, if you have a bad back forget it.
The point here is you need to look at your needs (KVA), the time the generator will be used (10 or 1000 hours a year), assess if the noise will be an issue. The other thing with the cheep ones is they can give your dirty power (incorrect or varying voltage or frequency or both) and blow electrical devices. Sounds like your best option is the EU10 or EU20. As mentioned its startup amps you need to allow for, the EU20 will run a fridge TV/computer and have enough oomph to start a water pump.
Good luck
 
Get one of the Honda EU generators, very quiet and economical.

Absolutely, I have a cabin in Rockbridge/Botetourt county...the line splits the property. I have the 6500 because I drilled a well and I don't know if all the EU series {Honda calls them "Inverters" not generators} have the remote start but I also have that and it is the quietest generator/inverter/power producer made. I was going to go with propane but found out quick that they are no where near as quiet as the Honda EU series...in fact, I looked at just about every generator/inverter made and nothing compares for low noise. This was paramount to me so I don't scare the animals away. Mine also has the Eco Switch which idles the engine down when you are not using much power. I don't use the generator for lights...the best way to do lights is a 4D 12 volt battery and solar panel to charge it. Use LED bulbs that are only 5 watts each. I have a wood stove for heat, gas range to cook and a tankless gas hot water heater. I only really run the Inverter for water. It will run 14.5 hours on 4 gallons of gas. The EU series are a little on the heavy side. I would seriously consider what all you want to run when you get this cabin built the way you want it and buy the right size up front...they aren't going to get cheaper and why spend the money twice??? Good luck.

Edit: EU20 might run a water pump...and then again it might not. My well will peak out at 4400 watts or voltamperes as Honda calls it. But it is not your average well, it's 900 ft. deep and has a variable speed pump. Another good thing about the EU series...maybe not all of them, but mine has a meter right on them to see just what you are using.
 
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Hurricane season is on so I was tesing mine this morning, it is a 7kw Coleman unit converted to run on Natural gas. It cranked up right away and ran fine. I bought it during Hurricane Andrew, that was 1992.
I don't have a Honda but know quite a few people that do I never heard a complaint about them. There is a kit sold to connect two of the 2000 watt units for 4 KW if needed.
Steve W
 
I need a generator to be used on some hunting property in SW Va. I moved up from a tent to a 12x16 shop building this week. Plan on building a house maybe next yr, but in the interim I may stay over a night or two in this building. Would just run some lights, a fan on the monitory oil heater, maybe a small frig. I've never had a generator .... would appreciate some experienced advice on size, type etc.

thanks

Charlie

Okay, here are my findings after years and years of dealing with gensets on properties.
FWIW, I did construction and ranch work for the last 22 years. I hunt a lot, and fish a lot. So, here is my advice:
If the genny will come home with you, and you will only run it a few days a year? Then get an inverter Honda or Yamaha generator. Hands down; quiet, stupid dependable, and compact. They run on gasoline. A tiny unit is the 1000W. It works a few lights, can run the smallest of refers, and it charges batteries. But it really can not drive a drill, nor can it run a decent size refer or freezer. But Honda's 3000W unit CAN. Ad it's still really quiet when compared to any other generator on the market- with the exception of the Yamaha. They are near equal.
If the generator is meant to stay there, and you plan on running it for more than a few hours a day, for several days, etc. I will tell you now, one time and one time only: Buy a propane powered generator in the 5000W range.
Reasons: 1. Gasoline goes to hell in a carburetor, and even in an EFI system if it sits. Ethanol makes it much worse. The tanks can rot from moisture. The units gum up, and start like dogs when you need them most. Propane units run dry of fuel, and then stop. You turn the gas back on, and they start back up. SO easy.
2. Propane has much less smell factor than gasoline. Propane bottles do not spill like gas. Propane is more easily transported, and stays good in the bottle for a year or more with no issues what so ever.
3. Propane is the magic fuel for BBQ, lighting lanterns, space heaters, so on and so forth. One bottle runs everything. When the bottle is closed, the fuel is secured. Wanna be the coolest guy on the hill? Bring up a 20 gallon bottle, and don't refill for a year of camping trips.
4. In nasty weather, propane is much easier to refuel than gasoline. Yeah; Louisiana monsoon rains can make pouring gas a real pain in the neck. Unscrewing a hose, screwing it back on, and opening a valve is just.......easier.

If the worst disaster ever strikes, I am of the opinion that all gasoline supplies will wind up dedicated to vehicles and vehicles ONLY. As in, emergency vehicles. With propane stored (Say 30 or 40 gallons in 5gal. tanks) You can be looking at stretching that fuel out for a long, long time when done right to sustain refrigerated foods far longer than any gasoline powered system will keep up with. This is why I say a 5000W system; you need to be able to run a saw, and run a real full size refer unit to keep perishables cold, likely for a few weeks until things get straightened out. One good delta flood, one nasty tornado or hurricane could do an area in for weeks and weeks. Look at NJ........ some places are STILL not connected to power. And we are talking a year now. While not practical nor perfect, you could travel once a month for propane to charge up your place if need be.
 
I am currently powering a 60 watt bulb, a brass tumbler, and a 10,000 BTU AC with a Sam's Club Black Max 8750/7000 unit. It has a genuine Honda engine. Previously, I powered a table saw, a 12 inch planer, a skill saw, sawzall, etc. with it building deer stands, building my old barn, etc. (Not all at once, of course.) I run non-ethanol gasoline, treated with Sea Foam, and rotated out every three or four months in it. I run the treated non-ethanol in all my small engines, and after 3-4 months, I pour what's left of the 25 gallons in my truck and replenish the cans with fresh non-ethanol.

The genset cost $1000 at Sam's. It is fairly noisy, but the AC drowns out most of the noise in the building. I currently have about 85 total hours on the machine. I'm cooling my building where my reloading stuff is set up for 2-3 hours three or four days a week. I haven't determined exact gas consumption, but it would be cost prohibitive to run it 24/7. I would like to have a small unit just for a few lights and maybe a refrigerator, in addition to the Black Max.

I figure if I get 250 hours and it quits, I'm money ahead. It is cheap, and so far, reliable power. For what a smaller Honda brand unit costs, I could buy two more of these and keep them in reserve.

Ideally, I would like to have a 10,000 watt PTO unit to run with my JD Diesel Tractor. It would be cheaper, and much more efficient to run for long-term, and diesel fuel would be a whole lot easier to come by around here say a week after an extended power outage started. I know a bunch of farmers who would sell me a 55 gallon drum of diesel from their 10,000 gallon tank. I try to keep the 16 gallon tank on the tractor full, plus 30-50 gallons on hand.
 
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Another vote for the Honda EU2000i. Small, easy to carry with the handle, sips fuel, and extremely quiet.
In addition, the inverter style generators have the ability to idle down under lighter loads, and will put out a cleaner voltage, which is important if you want to run a computer, or anything with an electric motor.
You can also parallel 2 of them together if you decide you need more wattage.

JT
 
Honda EU2000 a gas sipper, I can run all day on a gallon of gas. During Sandy we were out of power for 10 days, all the big generators were burning 7 to 8 gallons a day and there was no gas within 100 miles. I went all 10 days with two 5 gallon cans.
That makes it worth the extra cost for me.
 
I keep a 1kw Yamaha in the back of my truck for use on job sites. It's ok for small stuff, but I would not recommend it for anything bigger than a single tool at a time. I do like the fact that I can pick it up with one hand, and it will run for two work days on a single tank of fuel.
 
Aloha,

I vote for the Honda EU series.

We have an older EB2500 and a NIB EU2000.

I have 2 friends with 3 generators. All of us have an EU2000 NIB.

The EB2500 is from 1991 after Hurricane Iniki hit Hawaii.

I run Mobil 1 Premium Synthetic oil

For gas I go to the local marina and get NON Ethanol Boat gas for my

generators and Honda powered lawn mower.

I make it a habit to run the EB 2500 every month and give it a tune up

once a year, no mater what. When we NEED it it is ready. It will start on

a weak half half pull of the cord. I let it run dry after every use.

Pays to keep an extra set of spark plugs and oil, just in case.
 
Nope. You run them together so you can get 220v, and all of it "in phase".

Yep. Just checked my owner's manual. If an appliance requires more than 2kVA, manual says the parallel cable kit can be used to get 3.2kVA continuous, or 4kVA for 30 minutes.

JT
 
Like others said, Honda 2000. Mine ran my house for 10 days during hurricane ike and was using about a gallon per day. I am about to go buy another one, the "companion" version that allows the two to be linked together and it gives you 3500 watts. This way I can have a spare or more power depending on the demands at the time.

They are only about 40 lbs to carry which is also very nice.
 
Redlevel mentioned a PTO powered Generator he would like to run with his JD diesel tractor. I do have one of these and it works fine. I got mine from Northern Tool about 10 years ago. There is a big point in going this route. In my case I run the 23 HP tractor about once a week for grass cutting so it is always ready to go. No varnished up carbs or dead battery to worry about. I keep a 35 Gal supply of diesel in the shed and pick up about 15 more if I hear of a storm in the neighborhood.
Steve W
 
And at least in my little slice of heaven, NJ, you need a good chain and lock, these Hondas are way too easy to grab and run.
 
This ol hoss don't screw around.Got one that powers the entire house automatically. Turns on within 12 seconds if power goes down. Runs on city gas. Self starts and self analysis once a week. Cold weather heat pack for winter weather.
 
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I have had many generators from 60,000 watts down to 6,000 watts. Live in Florida where we lose power during hurricanes. Propane is safer than gas units but I have had the best luck with diesel units. Fuel lasts two years and not explosive like gasoline. The diesel units are quieter than the gas units and more durable. The small Honda & Yamaha units are real quiet but power output is limited. I have a super quiet enclosed diesel unit 6500 watts capacity for emergency standby. Generatorsales.com (Central Maine Diesel), I have bought one 60,000 watt unit from them a 700 watt & the super quiet 6500 watt from these people with no problems. Good pricing and customer service.
 
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