Gentlemen! Place your bets.

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I have come into posession of a few highly regarded .22 pistols this last weekend, quite unplanned but a happy accident nonetheless. The 17-3 was mine before the rest, and it's a real tack driver, but I am very familiar with the High Standards and have owned several over the years. Same with the model 18-3, they too are capable of excellent accuracy. Rugers have never really impressed me regarding precision accuracy, and most of it was usually due to their mediocre triggers (compared to the High Standards, the 41 and the revolver's single action triggers.) This Ruger however, has been upgraded with volquartsen componants and I would rate it as equal to the 41. Sorry, when it comes to triggers, NOTHING can compare to High Standards without spending a lot of money. Although my 17 comes very close.
Top to bottom, left to right we have the S&W 41 of 1997 vintage. Across from it is it's arch nemesis, from 1967 is the High Standard Victor. Backing up it's young autoloading cousin is my 1972 3T 17-3. Not to let it's brother be bullied, the 1971 High Standard Citation has it's brother's back. The 1973 model 18-3 heard there was going to be a rumble and came to support the family. The young pup Ruger Mk.III, seeing the Hi Standards outnumbered, throws his hat in the ring. After all, how tough can these old geezers be?

My goal is not to see which one shoots best with what ammo. Given the proper ammo, each of these is likely capable of sub moa accuracy from a machine rest. My question is, how do they do with bulk 500 rd box bargain ammo? That is the basis of "the bet."

The bet is, which gun will perform the best out of the group, to be determined with 10 5 shot groups from each gun using a single box of bulk bargain ammo. Since the average Joe (call me Joe) doesn't have a machine rest, groups will be shot from a sandbag rest and averaged. Lowest average wins. No, it's not the most scientific, and really all it accomplishes is to satisfy my own curiosity.
So, gentlemen, place your bets.

BTW, my bet is on the 17, thus the reason I placed this in the revolver category.
 

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If you are planning to do the test by yourself at a single sitting, my guess is one of the guns you use earliest will print the best groups, as you will be less tired with round 1 than at round 500. Shooting them under the same conditions would be the only way to compare unless you are a flinchless, flierless shooting machine. ;)

Also, you didn't specify a distance - they should all shoot one ragged hole groups at 7 yards but 25 (or 50) would be more challenging. The ammo brand you use may not get along with one or more of the guns either.

That said...the model 41. :)
 
I've had a number of revolvers (both high and low quality) shoot very well with bulk pack ammo. Target semi-auto pistols, not so much, but only with the better ammo they liked! (I had a 41 that never shot smaller than a bucket with any target ammo I tried, replaced it with a 422. I could hunt small animals with head shots! But used Medium priced ammo.)

I think the cylinder gap of a well timed revolver, is the factor that smooth's out the highs and lows of bargain ammo!

My best shooting revolvers in order:

S&W 17-3
High Standard Double 9
Colt New Frontier
S&W 34-2
RG M-10 (You can laugh, but it kills running raccoons from 40 feet)

Ivan

Worst 22 ever: RG 22 (22 Short only)
2nd worst: 80's production Colt Diamond Back!
 
I think Ivan is on the right track... sort of. ;) among the semi-autos, my money is on the Ruger since they seem to be freight train dependable regardless of ammo, and as such this one is my bet. The revolvers will do pretty well also. Then each of the other semi-autos will either do very well or abysmally. Each specific gun is a law unto itself, and one or the other of them may just accidentally “like” your choice of bulk ammo and be a world beater. Only testing will tell. Sounds like a fun project for a nice day at the range. :cool:

Froggie
 
BEST???

I agree with the ammo preference being a big deciding factor. Then again, with guns like that WHO CARES about a fraction of an inch? The 17 vs the Ruger is a no brainer as to which one I'd keep if forced to sell one. A VERY nice group of guns. ;)
 
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When the performance of the gun depends on the ability of the shooter, the results will be a crapshoot. Now, put them in a ransom rest and the true results will be revealed. A fun day none the less. Put lunch on the line and measure groups from each shooter for bragging rights.
 
I suspect all will shoot very well even with "cheap" ammo but I'll give the edge to the 17-3. Went to the range last week and shot my newest 17 (a -4) for the first time. Here are the first six rounds at 12 yards rested precariously on a range window sill and very "cheap" ammo. Have fun with your test.

Jeff
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I've had a number of S&W 41's, 17's, and even more Hi Standards. I'll bet that one of the two Hi Standard pistols will turn out to be most accurate. That's what I settled on after shooting all of them in our rimfire portion of the bullseye matches I shot in the 1990's.
Not only were my Hi Standard Supermatics more accurate, but also more reliable than my S&W 41. They could shoot an entire season of matches, and practice without cleaning. I avoided cleaning like the plague, as it seemed any match gun always needed to "season" again after a thorough cleaning. I could clean my Hi Standard at season's end, and not worry about jams, stovepipes, or an alibi round during a match for the whole season.
 
I am betting on the model 41. I like the 17 but the process of cocking the hammer and the various charge holes will tip the scale to the semi-auto. But I would still take the 17 over the others as I have or have owned the rest. Looking forward to the results.
 
Interest experiment of course. Similar to many that I have tried over the last 'several' decades. Results will vary from day to day. That being said I think I would recommend a widely accepted .22 like CCI Standard Velocity. It's not 'bargain basement' but certainly not high quality target stuff either. Some of the 'REMchester' cheap stuff can cause far too many misfires for a meaningful test.
My 8 3/8 17-4 is hard to beat from a rest but any of my (4) High Standards or my model 41 will do it sometimes. It's a day to day thing. For Bullseye shooting however the High Standards rule!

Oops, almost forgot to bet. If I were doing it I would bet on one of my High Standards (4 to 1 odds). In your case, well, we're all waiting. I would NOT bet on the Ruger though.
 
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