Getting old, thinking of selling my collection

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I addressed the same thing a couple years ago. I had somewhat more guns, but many less valuable. I sold off through a local auction house specializing in firearms. A few every few months over 3 years. Now, I'm at least 10 years older than the OP, and still retain all the guns I use. I have been very pleased with the end result so far.

Trying to sell off all at one time to one buyer would be the least desirable means, and result in the least return. My est of this kind of buyer would get you maybe 50% of the actual value.
 
I am 73, and thinking of selling my 50+ year collection. …

Would like to sell all together
What I have been doing is taking three in every month to my LGS. You don’t want to flood the market.

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My feelings about selling most of my guns is similar. About five years ago I vowed I would not buy any more guns; that was about 10 guns ago. The last one was 5 days ago. I'm 79 and will not burden my kids and wife with off loading my collection. I'll try to sell most of them on line and the rest will go to an auction house. I just don't know when to start.
 
Why you think you're too old at 73 to own dozens of guns mystifies me considering that I own more guns than most people and just acquired a couple this past year or two and I'm older than you.
Why?

I guess you don’t hang around elderly people. Diabetes, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Cancers and other diseases really mess people up. One cop I worked with went home sick and was dead in the morning. Another cop retired and 30 days was dead.
 
I am an IRS-credentialed Enrolled Agent. That is, I'm a professional tax preparer who has passed a series of exams and I am admitted to practice before the IRS. For a donation that large, he couldn't just use fair market value to determine the amount of his charitable contribution deduction. Any donation valued at over $5,000 requires an appraisal and the completion of IRS Form 8283.

Of course, that assumes he'll even be able to itemize deductions, which is going to be situationally dependent. If the OP is married and he and his spouse will both be 65 or greater and file a joint tax return, their standard deduction for Tax Year 2025 will be $33,200 ($30k for MFJ, $3,200 extra for both over 65). Assuming their house is paid off and there is no mortgage interest, and they max the $10k SALT cap, and they don't have medical expenses in excess of 7.5% of their AGI, he'd still have $23,200 of standard deduction before it would help to itemize. That $23,200 eats up A LOT of the value of those guns, so he wouldn't really get that much of a tax benefit for donating them. (That's just shy of an average $2,000 for each of the 12 guns he listed.) Even if he and his wife are in the highest tax bracket, which would surprise me, given that he appears to be a former/retired firefighter, that's only a tax savings of 37% of the appraised value exceeding the aforementioned $23,200.

Yeah, the charitable organization would benefit greatly from the donation, but the OP would not likely see a substantial tax benefit, if he saw any, at all.

He would likely be much better off contacting a local auction house, as others have mentioned, and letting them take a 10% cut of the final sale price from him and get themselves a 15% buyer's premium, as well. Assuming those 12 guns sell for an average of $1,500, that's a total sale price of $18,000, or $16,200 in the OP's pocket. Assuming they appraise at a similar amount and the OP's tax situation is remotely similar to what I outlined above, he would get ZERO tax benefit from donating them to charity.

Of course, if the OP did sell them, and did receive more for them than he paid, he would be required by tax law to report that amount as a gain on his tax return. Since the OP refers to them as a collection, it stands to reason the IRS would determine they are collectibles, and the gain would be taxed at 28%, the tax rate for any gain on the sale of collectibles held for a year or more. If he simply reported it as a long-term capital gain on the disposal of personal property, the tax rate would be either 0, 15, or 20%, depending on the OP's total income. If personal property is disposed of for less than the price paid to acquire it, the taxpayer doesn't get to take a loss on their return.
Excellent response, however, you miss some important points. IRS is not staffed or likely to audit the sale of a private collection one by one, They will never know and no audit will happen and no taxes will be paid.

In the wildest of extremes, in states where every gun is registered and there is some reporting requirement, he might have to pay 20% capital gains tax. I have examined thousands and thousands of tax returns when I was allowed direct access to IRS databases on line for federal investigative purposes. I have never seen tax paid on the sale of guns or gun collections.

You may have as a preparer, you have that obligation to list every item, as it should be. When taking tax courses in law school, there is a common ethical mantra, "when in doubt deduct" you as lawyers have that obligation. That is different from tax preparation.

Last, this is a private collection, not something held as a capital gain asset, and not something held for making profit, so there is no Schedule C or alternative document every filed.

They are like golf clubs, except they often increase in value for many reasons including collectability.

I am 76 and started downsizing long ago. I believe he should maximize his profit, if any, and choose what guns go where. First to relatives suited to their needs currently of down the road. I have guns in trusts, some of them go to minors, but will not go to them for a long time, some are 6 years old, so their parents will hold onto them until they reach the proper age.

I agree with you there is almost no rational reason for anyone to itemize deductions under the current tax code. Only a business can benefit from piles of documents reflecting their business expenses.

Donations of some guns makes sense, like to youth shooting events, shotguns and rimfires that would not realize much cash anyway. Just giving back as gun guys do.

There are risks associated with sales such as Armslist but can easily be handled. It is illegal to sell across state lines of course, so the OP must verity driver's license and have a bill of sale of some sort to protect himself. There is also the risk of robbery, it happens. Where I live, local police have an areas set up with cameras, outside the station. You just go inside and tell them you are selling guns to strangers, and they watch from inside, that resolves the risk. It also limits any would be felons or illegal immigrants from trying to make a purchase, their face and tag numbers are on film. But it works quite well in practice. You do not even have to say you are selling guns, just selling to people on line. The only record they have is the film from that date and time.

And there is the argument that guns are a constitutional right. Taxing them is like taxing free speech when they are not held as a business asset. Just because you own one or 19, does not diminish your right to own or replace at any time. Another argument, of course. I am not sure it is legal to require any tax on firearms, "shall not infringe" has recent rulings that make this right a personal right that goes with you, everywhere you go.

My 2 cents
 
Just my 2-Cents garnered from selling most my collection through a firm I had purchased from in the past.

I used Lock-Stock-&-Barrel investments. (LSB) They’re a west coast operation but do travel for assessment, valuation, pick-up, and sales. They list the items on various gun auction sites. Their fees are about 20%, pretty standard for that industry.
My collection included ammunition (some of which they bought outright), knives, pistols 1870’s thru Present, as well as rifles WWII to Present. Plus all associated accessories.
I was hoping to break even on the original purchase prices.
Lost money on some, made money on others. In the end I made money.

I liked the fact I could check the progress of the sales anytime I wanted.

Note: when they made me aware of their suggested selling prices for a few items - lower than I was comfortable with- they shipped them back to me.

Overall contracting with a reputable company like this makes the process far easier.
 
I am 50 years old now and I am sitting on about 350 firearms. I was going to send about 140 to auction: Brand Used Works (good people) but I was looking at what things are selling for right now and I think Gunbroker or Guns International while it is a royal pain in the keaster allows a little more control over the possibility of loosing a lifetime’s investments.

I will say I’m so sick of non-paying bidders! PM me if there is anything on your wish list I may or may not have it.

I’ll be posting all the cool stuff for sale on this forum before it goes to any auction.
 
All are interesting. I think a local dealer would buy your collection for resale, possibly a collector. Either would have to have the scratch to take all of them, of course. You have a fine collection, you should be proud of the time and effort you put into it. Best wishes.
Thank you, it has been fun owning them. I especially like the .44 spec. and the .32-20
 
Selling all in a lot is a pipe dream. Few have that kind of cash to afford such a thing. I would suggest finding an on-line auction house. They take possession, handle the description, advertising, sale, shipping and etc. when complete, they write you a check. Do they take a fee? Of course. But, unless you want to handle all the details, it is well worth it.

I have been taking 3-5 guns a month to my local internet auction house. Great folks.

Kevin
Thanks for the idea Kevin. I live in the sticks and am not great with computers. I never thought of that.
 
Wow, nice group for sure. I think we need more information. Are you doing it so the family isn't burdened with liquidating your collection? Have you lost interest in the hobby and wish to move on? Do you want to sell it and get that old restored Porsche you've always wanted?

There are several firms on Gunbroker who seem to bring in pretty good values and their consignment fees are reasonable. With the high value of some of your guns, perhaps you can negotiate a better fee. They are all auctions and when you add up everything together, some will do better than expected and some will do worse, but on overall average you will get fair market value less consignment cost.

Should you sell on consignment auctions, your collection will be liquidated in a month or two. You will have to do very little and someone will do all the work for you.

Now - if your worried about your family liquidating your collection - you can leave simple instructions on who to contact to liquidate for you. Who you pick for your liquidation auction is important. There are some very good dealers with great marketing and a following. They always seem to get decent prices.

In my opinion selling in one lump to a dealer will get you a lot less than auctions. They are going to have to pay a lot less in order to come out OK. If you want some suggestions on who to contact, please PM me. I have seen some pretty impressive operations, legit and trustworthy, who could make your job easy.
I have 2 daughters and a grand daughter that are not interested in guns and a grandson that has what he wants. Just don't want to burden my wife.
 
The sad thing about a 50 year collection is the cost to you is NOT factored for inflation so you will be TAXED ON INFLATION. When social security contributions are FACTORED for inflation, in my case the contributions were multiplied by up to 9 times their original amount. Had the govt stayed on the silver and gold standards, these things would never have happened and they knew it. Just attaching an original cost to any investment does NOT cover the true cost. To do so is just robbery by any agency involved.
Think of this when you sell your collection or any other long term held asset. It's time that situation was CORRECTED PERMANENTLY.
I have no idea what I paid for most of these. I have had some since 1973
 
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