Going up to Black Bear country, What caliber just in case?

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Going to N Ga, TN area. Where we usually go there are lots of Black Bears and berry bushes. We are not camping overnight but take day trips, hiking etc. Due to the amount of berry bushes and exposure to people the bears are not really afraid of humans. Never had a problem with one and they usually will run away if encountered. I would never like to shoot any animal but some of them are pretty fearless. To many trash cans and such.
But you never know. I do not want to lug around a 44spl or mag revolver. I usually carry a compact 9mm for two legged problems but that did not seem adequate.
A J frame 357 seems pointless with a 2" barrel so I was thinking my HK USPc 40 SW with a lot more rounds.

I only want to bring one gun so I figured the 40SW would work?
 
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From what I hear, black bears aren't that tough or aggressive.

It's unlikely that you'd need to shoot one anyway, as long as you make enough noise to let them know you're coming.

Bear spray, backed up by a .357 Magnum should be fine.
 
I used to have a place in the mountains that we went to every year ,I carry a 60 .357 mag with some 170 grainers ,never felt underpowered
maybe a speed strip in your pocket ,just in case

Jason
 
Bear Business

I have a very health respect for all bear large and small, black, brown or grizzled.

You call his bluff or he'll calls yours.

If'n he shows ya what he's got...It'll be exciting

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I'd bet the bear ain't all that impressed with my hand...

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So you see, it could end up winner take all...Or just a draw.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
Dave,

You got it right Amigo. Knowin' you, you pretty much know your way around them critters. Time of year, feed in front of them, cubs...all come into play. Me, I've been charged more times than most. Never once needed a gun wih a Blackie...but I've been lucky. Most ticklish thing I ever did was live trap a female with 3 cubs outside of the culvert trap. Not good.;)
 
I think I will go with the 40SW. At least there is 12 shots rather than 5. Plus after I trip my wife, I should be far enough away.;)
 
I've been living peaceably with the black bears in Yosemite Valley (and the back country, and the Sierra Nevada in general) for about 50 years. As long as it's not a momma with babies and she fears for her cubs I've never seen a problem.

Having said that, if I was worried about it a .41 mag would be the smallest. And remember that there brain is kind of low in the head.

(Also there is a rumor that won't go away that menstruating women are especially at risk. That probably started in Glacier Nat. Park in I think '59. There is no evidence that it's true and plenty that it isn't.)
 
I've been living peaceably with the black bears in Yosemite Valley (and the back country, and the Sierra Nevada in general) for about 50 years. As long as it's not a momma with babies and she fears for her cubs I've never seen a problem.
Sounds like a beautiful place to be living.:) I hope to get out there some day.
 
I live in North GA, the biggest threat in the woods is two legged, not four.
Avoid trash dumps and dumpters, and Momma's with cubs and the risk of a bear bothering you is less likely than snakebite....
 
We have a home in Rabun county, GA near the GA/NC line. Berries are just starting to come out, none are ripe yet. The laurel and rhododendren barely bloomed this year, for some reason, so we didn't have much to look at.

My wife picks berries, I tote all sorts of S&W .41 & .44 mag revolvers and sometimes a 10mm. I have been advised to carry a small air horn, like boaters use, to frighten bears. The local park ranger swears this works (he carries a Glock 10mm), so I don't believe him.
 
I love a good bear thread! :)

First on a serious note, and to answer your question. Like most folks here, I personally would not feel real comfortable with anything less than .44 mag. If you are most comfortable with your H&K USPc in .40 cal. I would buy some solid bullet ammo for it.

I didn't look, but Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore may make a 180gr. solid like a JSP, or a JFP. They do not suggest that you use all lead bullets in a polygonal barrel, but I have the exact same gun that you have, and I have shot total lead bullets out of it with no problems.

The important thing is that you buy enough of these solids so that you can test fire a bunch and make sure they work reliably in your USP. I don't think you will have a problem though, because mine has eaten everything I have ever put through it without a hitch.

If you won't take a magnum, this will have to do.

On a funny note, on one of the many bear threads that have been posted, a guy asked how he could tell the black bear from a brown bear (other than the color, because some black bears can be brownish in color.)

The guy that answered him gave one of the best answers I have ever heard. He said, " If a bear is chasing you, quickly climb a tree. If the bear climbs the tree and eats you, it was a black bear. If the bear knocks down the tree and eats you, it was a brown bear." :):D:)

Good luck on your trip.
 
Well I have a 4" 629 but really do not feel like lugging that around, besides I do not have a holster for it. I wear shorts and Polo or T shirts 11 mths of the year so I pretty much only pocket carry a small 9mm or a J frame. I have holsters for most of my large semi autos but it's hard to conceal a 45. I could put it in my day pack but by the time I get it out I'm lunch. I really do not expect a problem as they never bothered us before. My Wife hikes faster than me, so I let her blaze the trail.:D
 
From what I hear, black bears aren't that tough or aggressive.

It's unlikely that you'd need to shoot one anyway, as long as you make enough noise to let them know you're coming.

Bear spray, backed up by a .357 Magnum should be fine.

They can be tough, bank on it.Not always. For me it would be my 5'' 44 mag.
 
according to my patrol deputies, using a car is effective.....I was at my dad's house when the zone deputy called me and told me a car had hit a bear in front of my house...
according to the driver, the bear ran off, and has not been found...
 
OCD1 said:
Going to N Ga, TN area. Where we usually go there are lots of Black Bears and berry bushes. We are not camping overnight but take day trips, hiking etc. Due to the amount of berry bushes and exposure to people the bears are not really afraid of humans. Never had a problem with one and they usually will run away if encountered. I would never like to shoot any animal but some of them are pretty fearless.
But you never know. I do not want to lug around a 44spl or mag revolver. I usually carry a compact 9mm for two legged problems but that did not seem adequate.
A J frame 357 seems pointless with a 2" barrel so I was thinking my HK USPc 40 SW with a lot more rounds.

I only want to bring one gun so I figured the 40SW would work?





OCD1 Sir,
My first post was kind of in jest, as a lot of my post are in general. But, seeing how this is a sincere question I should have given an equally sincere reply.

So here goes. I've spent a fair amount of time in the backcountry that has a good population of black bears as well as grizzles. With scores of contacts, I have only killed one black bear that took exception to my trespassing in his territory and it took two pretty good placed shots from a medium bore rifle
(.348 Win. 250 gr ST) at spittin' distance (10 or 12 feet) to turn him and I'm not all that good a spitter.

I have bumped into bears on the trail while packing supplies into our camps...I give them critters full right of way, with no regard to size, color or species, they get a free roll if'n they will let me be. A bear of any size is a lot better at his business of maulin' & killin' than I am.

After a close encounter with a 'big' bear I kinda re-thought the whole sidearm for bear protection...A big ol' boar stole a whole caribou from us and covered it up in the willows and was a layed up right close just wainting for it to ripen some. That bear rested his case on possession being nine-tenths of his law, we yealded to his authority. That little .300 Win Mag I was a totin' felt more like a skin't sapling that a deadly weapon.

Back to your question of calibre, I have personally carry a revolver the likes of a 24 or 624 3-5" with stout handloads while just going about my business in 'bear country' for years. Your 9mm with +P FMJ will penatrate good enough at close range (read at distances from a few feet to muzzle contact) while ya slow the carnivore down some by feed it a foot, leg and or what ever your not usin' to try to repel it off'n ya, if you catch my drift.

If I have other folks in my charge to look out for or livestock to protect, I carry a rifle. Namely the one pictured below...

'86 Winchester 20" Take-Down .45/70
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Hope this helps.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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Well I have a 4" 629 but really do not feel like lugging that around, besides I do not have a holster for it.
It would seem to me that this would justify buying a holster for the 629. This is exactly the situation it is meant for. Why have it if you're not going to use it?

Is it really that much heavier than the .40 you plan to carry?
 
I've been living peaceably with the black bears in Yosemite Valley (and the back country, and the Sierra Nevada in general) for about 50 years. As long as it's not a momma with babies and she fears for her cubs I've never seen a problem.

Having said that, if I was worried about it a .41 mag would be the smallest. And remember that there brain is kind of low in the head.

(Also there is a rumor that won't go away that menstruating women are especially at risk. That probably started in Glacier Nat. Park in I think '59. There is no evidence that it's true and plenty that it isn't.)
A menstruating woman is not at risk for ANYTHING :eek:
 
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