Good Load Data Source for Poor People

The loading book I use the most, is the one I started with: Lyman #45 (ca 1977) I have a few more by Serria#3, Speer#?, Hornady#10, Berger, Nosler#4 & Lee#2. Lyman's Cast Bullet Hanbook#3 is a must.

Hodgdon puts out their yearly magazine, I have around 15 of those. I have P.O.Achley's, Hatcher's, Sharpe's and a few other's.

Lyman #44 and several before it are online in PDF form.

My most precious loading book is my notebook. It has the only opinions I will bet my life on!

Ivan

ETA, I use SPG manual for Black Powder and a very old Hodgdon Hard bound manual for Black Powder and "Cartridges of the World" too (I never found Spain's 43 Reformado data anywhere else!). The big red paperback from Accurate Powders.
 
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Donnelly's handbook on cartridge case conversions has many loads for odd, obsolete, and metric calibers, sort of in the same form as the loads to be found in COTW. In fact, some of Donnelly's loads cite COTW as a source. But it cannot in any sense be called a reloading manual.
 
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I understand the objection. When I started reloading I wanted to shoot but ammo costs were killing me. Reloading would save me some money, but the upfront costs had to be overcome. A couple or three manuals cost as much as the press and 95% of the data I knew I would never use. I just wanted to load some .38 and .357.

I didn't have a lot of money. From some of the posts I've read here a lot of you seem to think I didn't deserve to reload. The gun I had was free. I bought the most basic reloading press (RCBS JR). I thought I needed one manual for instruction purposes as there was no internet to lean on. But multiple manuals seemed excessive. More so today.

I did eventually buy more manuals, but mostly I don't feel I got a lot out of them. These days I'd just subscribe to LoadData for one year (less than a print manual) and be screenshoting the heck out of it.

You don't need a manual for instruction anymore. Plus there are PDF's of a lot of manuals online if you go look for them. I don't actually own a physical manual anymore. Or a beam scale. But I'm an outlier in the over-65 reloader crowd.
 
I told a good friend about Phil Sharps book. He is one of the safest reloaders I know. I taught him. He called the other day and was amazed at some of the informative books I told him of. He haunts antique places and finds old stuff constantly. He got Sharps book with the dust jacket aa couple weeks ago in a 2nd hand shop...5 bucks. Personally, I'm glad we have new powders coming all the time..but like DeWalt I still use the Hercules/Alliant powders the most...but never really had a use for Bullseye...RD GD Unique Herco and 2400...Dupont Rifle powders. Hard to beat 2 or 3 oldies I still use 3031, Hi-Vel #2 4198.
 
Good recommendations!

I had to laugh at the title of this thread, though: Good Load Data Source for Poor People. (Envisioning some hobo in a tent with a wooden stick and a Lee Loader...:rolleyes:)

As for the folks who object to the cost of a good publication:
If you can afford the cost of primers and powder these days, you can afford to buy a reloading manual or two!

Intellectual property has value!

There's a guy I used to see occasionally at one of the ranges I visit. I would cringe when I saw him because he's one of those guys that gets close up to your face and then talks at a volume level that makes you bend over backwards.
Once, he asked me about load data. After a short chat, he confessed to having recently blown up his S&W 686! The astonishing part was, he said, "I guess that's the price you have to pay to learn how to reload. You've probably blown up a few guns over the years yourself, right?"
Of course, my answer was an emphatic "NO!".

Fortunately, I haven't seen him in over a year.
I hope he's still alive (and has taken up a different hobby!).
 
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see Photos

As an addendum to my above post, see the two attached photos.
The first is an exploded K frame cylinder and the accompanying ammo I found lying on the bench at a local range. It was a quiet weekday afternoon. Nobody was around. I looked for the rest of the gun, but found nothing.
The second photo is the frame and cylinder from what was once a Ruger Blackhawk. It used to belong to a sheriff in Nevada who mistook his can of Bullseye for a can of 2400. I keep it on my loading bench.

Having been a shooter and reloader for many decades, I had never known anyone who had blown up a gun. Nowadays, it seems almost commonplace!

It just goes to show that in the age of technology, “information” and “knowledge” are two different things!
 

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Having been a shooter and reloader for many decades, I had never known anyone who had blown up a gun.
You must not get around much. I've also been reloading for many decades. I know a few who blew up handguns. I think that most don't widely broadcast the event! These high tech days, people will tell the world everything that goes on in their lives which people used to feel ashamed about!
 
Couple of items from above. While Alliant only lists maximum loads, I've noticed that their data seems to (at least in my guns) matches factory ammo. Yes, working up to it is a good idea. Differences in bullet construction and case capacity can rear their ugle heads. Be wary when changing any component......unless maybe when you're working in the middle of the load data.

I recently got a lesson on case capacity between LC Match and Federal Gold Medal Match. And this was a time when Federal ran LC.

One of the things I like best about the various manuals, is when they list powder charges in 100 f/s intervals you can get a grasp on what kind of changes to expect for a given charge weight.....until you get up near the top velocities.

I found the best discussion of determining overpressure in a Sierra manual. The hitch is that it is for loads in NEW brass, not once (or more) fired. For rifle cartridges, you mike the unfired case body just forward of the extractor groove & above the case head. You then mike the same area after firing. Diameter of the case web should not increase more than 0.0005 inches.
 
Couple of items from above. While Alliant only lists maximum loads, I've noticed that their data seems to (at least in my guns) matches factory ammo. Yes, working up to it is a good idea. Differences in bullet construction and case capacity can rear their ugle heads. Be wary when changing any component......unless maybe when you're working in the middle of the load data.

I recently got a lesson on case capacity between LC Match and Federal Gold Medal Match. And this was a time when Federal ran LC.

One of the things I like best about the various manuals, is when they list powder charges in 100 f/s intervals you can get a grasp on what kind of changes to expect for a given charge weight.....until you get up near the top velocities.

I found the best discussion of determining overpressure in a Sierra manual. The hitch is that it is for loads in NEW brass, not once (or more) fired. For rifle cartridges, you mike the unfired case body just forward of the extractor groove & above the case head. You then mike the same area after firing. Diameter of the case web should not increase more than 0.0005 inches.

I think that method of pressure measurement has been largely dispelled in the last twenty years or so because of differences in brass hardness, metallurgy, and maybe a few other reasons. I don't think the method is totally without merit, just mostly. Those last few words are my opinion only, not necessarily something factual.

I've been intrigued by all this for a while, but I'd been handloading a long time before I did any semi-serious experimentation. I'm sure others have tried the same thing, but here's how I did it...

I was curious about pressure levels with the 7x61 Sharpe & Hart Magnum cartridge about ten or so years years ago. Virtually all of the available data was old and not pressure tested. I had worked with the cartridge in a New Ultra Light Arms rifle enough to know that some of the old published data was potentially dangerous.

I took new Norma factory ammo, fired it in my rifle and measured just ahead of the web. (I'd have to look up my old notes as I can't remember if I took measurements on the belt, just ahead of the belt or both.) With other ammo, I removed the factory bullet, discarded the powder, and loaded my selected bullet and powder leaving the primer Norma used in place.

Bullet and powder were the changeable factors; same brass, same primer. I fired these loads and took measurements on the cases. I believe this is a much better and more accurate method of measuring pressure than the more common method, but again, that is only my opinion. My method is probably not without faults.

I don't know where the arbitrary "don't exceed .0005" expansion" came from. Maybe someone here knows. There is also the "pressure ring" method of measurement described by Ken Waters in his PET LOADS book. Easy to do, but likely not very useful information in most instances.

All this is akin to reading pressure from primer appearance. I think there is limited usefulness in all this stuff I've mentioned, but how far does that usefulness go? Again, only my opinion.

As gunwriter John Barsness has stated many times, chronograph figures may be the most useful way for most of us to determine safe pressure, but this is far from a beginner's project.
 
I've got maybe 20 or more reloading manuals. Why? Just because I like reading them. Loaddata.com is $20/year and has thousands of recipes, many from the Hand Loader magazine. Hodgdon and Alliant (who I think must own at least 80% of all powders sold) lists reloading data for free. As others have posted there is a lot of verified information on the internet besides these two companies.
 
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