Got my 15-22 back from S&W! Considering the Walther PS 22 Red Dot.. Thoughts?

[GKH]

As many of you know, I had to send my 15-22 back to S&W (twice) because holes on the stock to change the extension length were drilled wrong. And, this was causing the pin in the butt plate to jump to the 5th hole upon firing. I use the 6th position, as my draw length is long since I have long arms.
Yes; I did say it went back to S&W twice. When I received my 15-22 back the first time, it was actually worse than when it first went in. But, upon getting it back the second time, all is well. They actually replaced the lower - new serial number. So; it had to be shipped to FFL for me to pick it up. And, I had to go through another background check! Lol! Yeah!

Anyway; it's back now. And, I haven't even had the chance to install my Magpul AFG yet. But; I did find a Red Dot that I think might be fun. It's the Walther PS 22 (5 MOA), and under $60 (on sale). So; with a 5 MOA dot, will that be okay for shooting indoors at 25yds? I figure it will cover the bullseye. But, is it too big a dot to have fun with at an indoor range?
I will also be plinking outdoors. So, I'm sure the 5 MOA will be just fine for that.

Thanks!

 

[Griffy19]

To me it all just seems to be shooter preference. Yea at 25 yards 5 MOA will cover the bulls eye but it'll still work. I think 2 MOA are much better because you can use them at 25 yards fine but then when you wanna step back to say 50 yards it still works. These are usually more expensive though. Just my opinion.

 

[jsimmons]

Consider the Primary Arms M4 red dot. I think it's 2MOA. I know for a fact that their Gen8 MicroDot is only 2MOA.

I have two of their MicoDots on my big ARs, and I have a M3 on order (because it was on sale on Monday for almost 30% off normal price.

 

[scootle]

I've seen some reports that the Walther RDS might be a case of "you get what you pay for" in terms of not being able to hold zero under use (even on a 15-22). One guy was in a carbine class, I believe, and it would not hold zero.

Primary Arms seems to get pretty good reviews overall for cost vs. effectiveness, and people seem to use them on full-sized AR rifles w/o issues. I have the M4 clone (2moa) on my 15-22, but I can't say I've put it through any crazy use conditions just yet.

Consider the Primary Arms M4 red dot. I think it's 2MOA. I know for a fact that their Gen8 MicroDot is only 2MOA.

The Gen8 Microdot is actually 3moa, I think. The M4 clone is 2moa. I'd have to double check to be sure though.

 

[HalfSwiss]

PA M4 is 2MOA and works great. After plinking (2K rounds) with it from 25 to 100 yards, I wouldn't even consider a 5MOA, but then that's my opinion and others have theirs. And the PA M4 has three other reticles in addition to the red dot.

 

[scootle]

for general plinking use, 5moa would probably be fine. using the 2moa PA M4 clone (no magnification) i was able to keep 5-shot groups to about 1" or less when i sighted in the RDS at 25 yards indoor:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/146665-ammo-talk-12.html#post135697055

2moa at 25 yards covers about a 0.5" circle. realize that if you went with a 5moa dot, you'd only be good to a 1.25" circle at 25 yards.

i know i have seen some people, who are much better shots, keep groups to 3/4" or less at 25 yards with their 15-22.

if, for some reason, you have trouble seeing the 2moa dot size, you can either crank up the brightness to make it "apparently" larger or, in the case of optics like the multi-reticle PA M4 clone, switch to a reticle that is physically larger (e.g. a cross or a dot/circle combo).

 

[shawnfergie]

I got a PS-22 from MidwayUSA and ended up sending it back. Even if you get the standard PA M3 you'll be in better shape. I ended up getting the M4 for the 2MOA dot but I like the dot and circle reticule much better. Spend the extra couple bucks... I didn't and wasn't happy, I almost was stuck with the PS-22.

 

[GKH]

Thanks Everyone!! The Primary Arms M4 Red Dot is what I will focus on!
I will need to just add the Picatinny Rail, it looks like.

 

[Rustpot]

Thanks Everyone!! The Primary Arms M4 Red Dot is what I will focus on!
I will need to just add the Picatinny Rail, it looks like.

Are you referring to a riser? The M4 will attach directly to the top of the 15-22, you only need something else if you want it to sit higher.

Also, the M3 multi reticle that Primary Arms sells has the same dot choices if that sight is more your style.

 

[scootle]

the PA M4 clone comes set up on a base that allows perfect lower 1/3 co-witness with your iron sights... no need to worry about the base at all. it will clamp right onto your existing picatinny rail.

if you decide to go with the M3 clone, it has a selection of base choices that you will have to make, i believe, including some options designed to clear carry handles and such.

 

[grimreaper21]

5 MOA will cover 5.236 inches at 100 yards, or 1.3 inches at 25 yards. should be easy to have fun with, i mean you are shooting a gun afterall.
2 moa = .5 inch at 25 yards.. much better for precision, but does that .8'' matter? up to you.

 

[GKH]

Great info! Thanks much!
I noticed on the Primary Arms site this new Red Dot..
'Primary Arms Multi-Reticle Red Dot Sight' for $99. It's 2 MOA, as well.

http://www.primaryarms.com/product....E99D2.qscstrfrnt03?productId=299&categoryId=5

 

[Griffy19]

I actually just bought this one. Still haven't shot with it yet. But it only took 2 days for them to ship it to me which was awesome

 

[GKH]

I actually just bought this one. Still haven't shot with it yet. But it only took 2 days for them to ship it to me which was awesome

this one, right?

http://www.primaryarms.com/product....F84DE.qscstrfrnt06?productId=299&categoryId=5

 

[Griffy19]

this one, right?

Primary Arms Multi-Reticle Red Dot Sight

Yep, I can't wait to get it to the range. It looks and feels great. I got the High cant mount with it.

 

[GKH]

Yep, I can't wait to get it to the range. It looks and feels great. I got the High cant mount with it.

Is that the mount that comes standard? Or; option mount?
I noticed in the photo the mount shown is a slightly elevated.

 

[Griffy19]

Is that the mount that comes standard? Or; option mount?
I noticed in the photo the mount shown is a slightly elevated.

It's the upgraded mount. The canted one is in the picture thats at a slant. It's only $10 and it raises it up a higher which I wanted. And plus if I ever want to get a magnifier my optic is ready to go.

 

[Rustpot]

The stock mount on the two M3 sights is best used on guns like the MP5 clone .22, Sig rifles, etc, where the stock drops the shooter's head lower than on an AR.

The high mounts (straight and cantilever) do a lower 1/3 cowitness with AR iron sights. I believe the M3 has a better description of the mounts as opposed to the M3 multi.

 

[Rustpot]

That's the high cant mount. It will work well.

Looks like this to the shooter- looking over the sights. These are Magpul flip sights, but the stock iron sights would be the same height. Drop your head down a little more and you can use the iron sights through the tube. The benefit is that when using the dot as pictured it is more centered so you've got a wider sight picture.

 

[GKH]

That's the high cant mount. It will work well.

Looks like this to the shooter- looking over the sights. These are Magpul flip sights, but the stock iron sights would be the same height. Drop your head down a little more and you can use the iron sights through the tube. The benefit is that when using the dot as pictured it is more centered so you've got a wider sight picture.

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