Govt is going after the low hanging fruit-this time ghost guns

[walnutred]

The Feds tried this argument in the 1970s going after those of us who were building muzzle loading firearms. IIRC they tried to make a test case using a man named Johns Blivins, Jr who was living in NC. As long as you believe the 2nd Amendment does not just apply to muzzle loaders and that the 1st also applies to computers and electronic communications the arguments used to defend Blivens should apply today.

 

[Greyman50]

This is Amazing! The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the failure/ lack of locking up or death sentence for the few in society that continue to break the law. Long term prison sentences in a real prison, ( no tv, no gym) sentences to a prison farm( low grade crimes) or short rope and tall tree for murder.

 

[Sarge9]

Hey how about just keep the perps in jail where they belong ?
Look at the last shooting in Ca. local DA said keep him locked up
oh no. What 6-7 people dead ?
We have laws, just enforce them, DUH !!

 

[serger]

So what's the big deal? You "manufacture" your own gun, you engrave the manufacturer name and a serial number on the receiver, then fill out a form 4473. No different that going to the LGS and buying a commercial gun.

The big deal is the record that now exists. That record enables
anyone to come looking for that specific firearm. Once it's been
digitized, it's out there.

I do not trust the government. The reason is I can hear the
ratchet clicking as the screws turn tighter on every facet of life
they "control".

You think the database isn't out there? Here's a link to get you
started down the rabbit hole of questioning their motives:

ATF Admits To Secret Database Of "Nearly One Billion Gun Records" [VIDEO] - Austin County News Online

 

[colt_saa]

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That is not a Ghost Gun . . . . That is a Ghost's Gun​

 

[sipowicz]

If you're not going to prosecute the criminals who use guns in crimes, who cares what kind of gun it is.

 

[tominboise]

Technically, a block of steel laying on my bench is a "ghost gun". It just hasn't shown itself yet. It's going to be hard to define what it is and how do they plan on enforcing it? Feel good legislation.

 

[Inusuit]

I need to buy a kit just because.

 

[Gamecock]

"could not even support regulation of untraceable guns that are becoming the favorite gun for murder and mayhem"

Petitio principii.

Begging the question fallacy. The only evidence for their claim is the assertion itself.

It displays ignorance of the hobbyist nature of 80% guns. They are highly UNLIKELY to be used in crimes.

GCA68 requires newly manufactured guns to have serial numbers. There are many millions of pre-68 guns out there that don't have serial numbers . . . will they have to be surrendered? Don't they qualify as ghost guns?

 

[686-380]

I disagree with this comparison

We ARE the greatest country in the world...and also the worst. We're a mess of contradictions and an infinite assortment of alliances.

Having the opinion that registering firearms (NFA included) indicates a genocidal maniac is patently ridiculous. Speaking of low-hanging fruit, this is it...

As long as we have irresponsible people doing irresponsible acts with firearms, this debate will rage on. I request civility by all parties.

 

[Duckford]

If you're not going to prosecute the criminals who use guns in crimes, who cares what kind of gun it is.

Boo Boo is a street thug. He has several felonies and cannot legally own weapons, and has other restrictions on his parole and probation. Boo Boo takes a gun and shoots at a rival for a very minor disagreement, runs form the police, and violently resists arrest before he is captured and put on trial.

Boo Boo faces 49 charges from the state. His lawyer gets it plead down to two charges, and the sentences of both charges will be served concurrently.

When Boo Boo gets out of jail early because of prison crowding, and gets another gun and goes on another violent spree, we are told that the real problem is that we don't have enough gun laws or criminal laws. They tell us we need more restrictions and laws so that when Boo Boo gets into trouble they can throw 56 charges against him, so his lawyer can get them down to two charges with the sentence served concurrently this time.

We are told there aren't enough laws, when there are already too many laws. We are told there is a lack of leverage against criminals when the current leverage is squandered. We put men in prison who should be executed, and then let them out early.

But, yes, more laws.

 

[biku324]

So why not decriminalization of removing serial numbers from firearms?

Guns built to be untraceable are made that way so no one can trace them. Does that sound legit?

 

[PHS327]

Almost all of my guns are registered. The Smith and Wesson guns are registered with Smith and Wesson and my Ruger guns are registered with Ruger. I figure, that way, if there's a recall I would get notified. Did I do something wrong?

 

[pmosley]

Only my dogs are registered......

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[biku324]

Almost all of my guns are registered. The Smith and Wesson guns are registered with Smith and Wesson and my Ruger guns are registered with Ruger. I figure, that way, if there's a recall I would get notified. Did I do something wrong?

Yes. Now you and your family are vulnerable to 'them' and 'they.' I hope you're satisfied. Harrumph.

 

[Rustyt1953]

While this video is 8 years old there are antis who still think this way.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0[/ame]

 

[biku324]

And two men in line at breakfast this morning believe in space aliens. There are outliers everywhere. Especially elected officials.

 

[PALADIN85020]

Most .22 rifles made through the mid-1960s had no serial numbers. No point in having them change hands through gun dealers. They are quite untraceable and there are millions out there.

Most U.S. military firearms have changed hands so many times that tracing the serial numbers will usually only result in a dead end.

Nothing like drumming up hysteria and inventing "solutions" that don't work...

John

 

[biku324]

Then I guess the many firearms traced over the last 53 years had no effect on convictions? You'll need to convince people who've never worked crimes against persons that their experiences were fantasies. And that NIBIN really has done nothing.

Check and see how many old 22 rifles and milsurp firearms are used in crimes.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Never, in the history of man, has gun registration NOT led to eventual confiscation.