Gun confiscation has begun.....

People all over the USA have had guns confiscated by over zealous law enforcement. Usually it is very expensive to have them returned. Regarding NY, Fox News is now reporting one man got the letter and surrendered seven guns. He got a lawyer and now it turns out that he was the wrong man. I think this is going to cost NY a lot in legal expenses.
 
Can you think of an easier way to disarm the Veterans the DHS has on their terrorist watch list?

That would be every combat veteran who's been down range, whether it be on the ground or in the air, and who wasn't an office pogue, supply type, or any other rear echelon type who wore the uniform but never so much as heard a gun shot after basic training; we're all in deep kimshee. :rolleyes:
 
Just another front in the Battle for the RKBA. Do those with "mental health" problems forfeit any other rights?

What really concerns me about the mental health issue is how ambiguous this and all subjects of control are. So if your wife leaves you, your dog dies, or God forbid you lose a child it's depressing and you should lose your guns? The mental health problem I'm sure goes beyond the governments obvious lack of interest in informing the Instant Check System and HIPPA laws get in the way but having a bad day or temporary event in your life getting in the way of being able to keep your guns is over the top as our government clearly is on the subject.\

This is a letter from NRA to Congress stating the failure of government to live up to it's end of the Insta Check System having the information it needs to properly screen. Read the whole thing but pay particular attention to the red highlights, and as it says, put this information to mind to use in conversation with officials and anti-gun people:

This letter was openly distributed to all members for the purpose of education and to pass to any and every person you know, so copyright does not enter the picture.

NRA's Letter to Congress Lays
Out the Real Facts


TO: NRA Members and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

On February 13, 2013, the NRA sent a letter to members of the U.S. Congress concerning the White House proposals to require background checks for all firearms purchases.

The letter lays out facts that every concerned citizen needs to know -- just the facts, no fluff, no hyperbole, just simple, straight forward facts.

To view a copy of the letter from the NRA-ILA's Executive Director Chris Cox to the U.S. Congress regarding so-called "universal background checks" click here.

THESE ARE THE FACTS — READ THEM — LEARN THEM — SHARE THEM

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TALKING POINTS

NRA and NICS
The National Rifle Association supported the establishment of the National Criminal Instant Background Check System (NICS) [1], and we support it to this day. At its creation, we advocated that NICS checks be accurate; fair; and truly instant. The reason for this is that 99% of those who go through NICS checks are law-abiding citizens, who are simply trying to exercise their fundamental, individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Dealers
Since 1986, those engaged in the business of selling firearms for livelihood and profit have been required to have a Federal Firearms License (FFL). All retail sales of firearms currently require a NICS check, no matter where they occur.

Private Sales
Regarding the issue of private firearms sales, it is important to note that since 1968, it has been a federal felony for any private person to sell, trade, give, lend, rent or transfer a gun to a person he either knows or reasonably should know is not legally allowed to purchase or possess a firearm.

Mental Health Records and NICS (Government Failure)
According to a recent General Accounting Office study, as of 2011 23 states and the District of Columbia submitted less than 100 mental health records to NICS; 17 states submitted less than ten mental health records to NICS; and four states submitted no mental health records to NICS.[2]


Gun Shows
A common misrepresentation is that criminals obtain firearms through sales at gun shows.

A 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of state prison inmates who had used or possessed firearms in the course of their crimes found that 79 percent acquired their firearms from "street/illegal sources" or "friends or family."
Only 1.7 percent obtained firearms from anyone (dealer or non-dealer) at a gun show or flea market.[3]

Prosecutions (Government failure)
In 2010, the FBI denied 72,659 NICS checks out of a total of 14,409,616. But only 62 of these cases were actually prosecuted, and only 13 resulted in a conviction.[4]


"Universal Background Checks"
While the term "universal background checks" may sound reasonable on its face, the details of what such a system would entail reveal something quite different. A mandate for truly "universal" background checks would require every transfer, sale, purchase, trade, gift, rental, or loan of a firearm between all private individuals to be pre-approved by the federal government. In other words, it would criminalize all private firearms transfers, even between family members or friends who have known each other all of their lives.

According to a January 2013 report from the U.S. Department of Justice's National Institute of Justice, the effectiveness of "universal background checks" depends on requiring gun registration.[5] In other words, the only way that the government could fully enforce such a requirement would be to mandate the registration of all firearms in private possession – a requirement that has been prohibited by federal law since 1986.
 
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Oregon has regular background checks run by the state police.
Was in the LGS when a gang banger attempted to purchase a Bulldog that a friend of his was just denied on.
Check passed instantly. LGS owner phoned the call center to discuss and was told "when we get busy we just set the system to auto-approve" and hung up on him.
Anybody (Democrats excepted) really believe that universal checks will improve anything? No
t.
 
Oregon has regular background checks run by the state police.
Was in the LGS when a gang banger attempted to purchase a Bulldog that a friend of his was just denied on.
Check passed instantly. LGS owner phoned the call center to discuss and was told "when we get busy we just set the system to auto-approve" and hung up on him.
Anybody (Democrats excepted) really believe that universal checks will improve anything? No
t.

That's incredible! I happend to see a guy the other day that had a protection from abuse order against him trying to buy an AR. When the owner of the shop heard that, he didn't even phone the check in - he told the guy to get lost!

Here in PA when the check system was put in place, the original concept was to create a system that would enable the state to keep track of what guns you owned or were buying (a registry). The courts deemed that unconstitutional so the lawmakers turned around and formed it into an instant background check system which is the same as a registry under a different name. Universal checks would also be cloaked by deception but be deemed legal.
 
And yet another state

California tracks, disarms people with legally registered guns - BizPac Review

More good news;Obama's war against us, litterally U.S. Government Preparing for Collapse (and Not in a Nice Way) - YouTube watch it to the end to hear the agent himself sound so happy busting into our homes military style.

I've long been convinced that a good percentage of the civilian door kickers just love to dress up like .mil and play with kewel toys but either couldn't cut the entrance requirements (photos I've seen might suggest the physical fitness requirements might have come into play. ;)) or didn't like the idea of sleeping in the dirt.
 
Why do I get the idea that "mild paranoia" and "NRA membership" could point to "mental health issues?"

The wife said something about paranoia when she saw the SIG nine I keep by the computer. (This was when there had been a series of hot prowls in our area)

I told her if I was really paranoid it would be a .45. :D
 
All fun and giggles until someone gets poked in the eye.
"They" could rough me up-smack me around-But it all stops when my wife, grandkid or a pet is touched-
Oathkeepers-I know plenty of active duty combat seasoned hardbutts who won't put up with it.
 
Gun confiscation =Agenda 21 Is a UN agenda that corrals and subdues the American and world peoples in order to chip all people,arron russo was informed of the plan in the 1990s by rockafeller and now there are tv commercials that say (I have lived a good life) agenda 21 comming soon,this nazi/communist style agenda calls for gun confiscation and 90% population reduction! search you tube agenda 21.
 
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I don't take any of these ideas (age limits) seriously. Why, if they tried something like this, they'd bring down an organization more powerful than the NRA........AARP. If they think gun owners are tough, they haven't seen anything yet.:rolleyes:

Sorry, but the AARP is very anti-gun. The AARP would probably back it. They don't believe seniors or anyone else should own a firearm. It's just too dangerous. The AARP also backed Obamacare.
 
Sorry, but the AARP is very anti-gun. The AARP would probably back it. They don't believe seniors or anyone else should own a firearm. It's just too dangerous. The AARP also backed Obamacare.



+1 You are 100% correct. This is why I would NEVER join a AARP type group.
 
So now will those that need psychological/psychiatric treatment not seek it out to avoid having their guns confiscated? That's all we need! Where will the real craziness end?

+1 I had the same thought. No one will seek the treatment they need if there is a chance that they will lose their firearms.
 
It's trash like this that makes me ashamed to tell people I'm originally from NY. I used to be proud of my state and now I'm really bummed out about it. Those jerks are ruining my state. This is the time to tell your kids about to graduate college to become lawyers. They'll all make a fortune in defending constitutional violation cases.
 
Remember that any damages paid by any government come out of insurance or taxpayers, NOT from the individuals responsible.
 
I have a friend who shot and killed his wife's lover in 1973. He was adjudged Temporarily insane in the state of Texas.
Forward to 2012.
That was near 40 years ago--he is an avid hunter--has bought and sold guns thru those years---no more violence.
The ATF came to his house along with local PD and confiscated all his weapons when he bought a Mauser on line.
Said he was insane.
Blessings
 
Well, I guess I'm really going to be screwed if/when it's seen that I was once taking Zyban (Buproprion) for smoking cessation. Today it's also marketed as an SSRI anti-depressant prescribed under the name Wellbutrin, and generically as Buproprion.

I wonder how many other drugs are out there that was once only used for treating one type of condition and then found to be effective for another condition that falls under the heading of mental health?

I can think of another drug that's prescribed for chronic nerve pain as well as being a anti-depressant med in the Tricyclic family called Nortriptyline... which I was also prescribed many years ago for chronic nerve pain in my leg after I was in a nasty motorcycle accident.
 
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I'm sure at some point they'll reclassify some laws so we all end up with a felony. Felons can't own guns-- problem solved.
 

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