Gun purchase tomfoolery and shenanigans

[wolverine]

Local dealer near me routinely removes one mag from new Gen4 Glock case then sells the guns as new with only 2 mags. (guns come with 3 mags from factory).

He also has a large pile of new Glock mags for sale at $30.00 each.

He does sell the Glocks at a darn good price but if sold as new they should have 3 mags in the box.

Some of us that frequent that shop have known about this for a long time now so were just buying the Gen4's with the two included mags then after sale & paperwork is done pointing out that the box it comes in says it comes with 3 mags. The owner then usually says OH! Glock must have screwed up & tosses us the 3rd mag from the pile of mags.

I bought a Gen4 from that shop about 2 weeks ago & again it came with 2 mags PLUS he altered the box by crossing out 3 mags & hand writing in 2 mags.

He didn't want to give me that 3rd mag & pointed to the 2 mags hand written on the box. I told him I bought it as a new gun as it had the stores new price tag on it (store uses different color tags for new, used, or consignment)

So I again asked for the 3rd mag as a NEW Gen4 comes with 3 mags. He hesitated a bit so I quickly asked what his store number was on the sales papers as I was going to call Glock & ask for the missing mag as well as send them a picture of the box with 3 mags crossed off with 2 written in. (he tossed me 2 extra mags & told me "must have been a factory mistake" but he would personally make it good & deal with Glock later)

He's a real slick talker & one step above a crook but his prices are good so we put up with his **** & just look at it as part of the buying process.

I presume the Feds will haul his *** off one day then a good shop owner will move into that shop.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

I wonder if that dealer would take kindly to customers working deals amongst themselves withing his shop...

I fully get why dealers do not like or allow this for the most part. And I do not engage in it..

But to me, what the dealer did if I understand the story correct, is akin to customers working deals in the store....

Bad form.


I would still like to know why a Python cannot be transferred to another MA resident??? Assault revolver?? LOL!

 

[model70hunter]

OP, caveat emptor. Means as is.

Don't think you did anything wrong except met greed face to face.

Greed killed 2 good gun shops in my old hometown. Greed gets in the way of fair business practices, ticks folks off, lose business, wonder why the creditors or Feds are on your worthless tail.

I've seen all the above happen, it irritates me too. After greed raises it's ugly head or the LGS owner blatantly tires to rip me off I never go back.

One LGS in my old home town went to the greedy side, I used to help out for free on Saturday's, I'd run his shop on Saturdays when he had to be out of town. I could sell more Deer rifles in the month before deer season just on Saturday's than he did all week. Guys would come in and work with me, most of my friends quit going there unless I was there, they would drive 25 miles to another town. I never really got a great deal but thought we were friends. I put a gun on lay away, paid as agreed upon, went in to pay it off and pick it up. He sold it for lots more than I paid, he told me so. Then he tried to get me to take a lesser gun, nope want my money, well it's invested back into the shop, which was BS. I finally got my money and never went back.

He would tell common friends he missed me, yea right, my billfold. I ran into him at a gun show, no hugs, no miss you to pieces, nope he went into a tirade on how he knows I still buy guns but not from him. I said yes I do and not one of them has tried to screw me. Walked on and never spoke to him again.

He was busted by the feds over a few nickel and dime US issue things that were hot, got a felony and lost it all. It was a true shame, his wife was one of the nicest folks you will meet and his son is too. I hated losing them as friends.

 

[Squarebutt]

Still not sure if the original ad for the gun stated it had original wood stocks or it didn't say. It's a question that I would probably ask.
As for the convoluted MA laws, in order to make the approved list, new handguns must conform to a bunch of standards, including things like a loaded chamber indicator, a 10-pound trigger pull and survive a drop test onto concrete before a dealer can sell them. (Many guys change out the triggers, which is apparently legal after it leaves the shop.) Manufacturers have to submit several guns and a fat check for the privilege of having their guns certified, and many like Colt, Kimber and others just won't do it. Others, like Kahr make a special model for MA. Because any transfer of a handgun across state lines requires an FFL, many good guns are not available in MA unless they were already owned by a MA resident prior to the 1998 law, or are owned by a person moving into MA from another state, or were bought by a MA LEO and then sold to a non-LEO. And none of those can be transferred through a MA dealer, but can be sold person-to-person, with paperwork going to the state, and with a limit of four such sales per person per year. Possession of any new magazine of more than 10 rounds is a felony, but a pre-ban mag of any capacity is OK. Got it? It's for the children.

 

[629shooter]

Local dealer near me routinely removes one mag from new Gen4 Glock case then sells the guns as new with only 2 mags. (guns come with 3 mags from factory).

He also has a large pile of new Glock mags for sale at $30.00 each.

He does sell the Glocks at a darn good price but if sold as new they should have 3 mags in the box.

Some of us that frequent that shop have known about this for a long time now so were just buying the Gen4's with the two included mags then after sale & paperwork is done pointing out that the box it comes in says it comes with 3 mags. The owner then usually says OH! Glock must have screwed up & tosses us the 3rd mag from the pile of mags.

I bought a Gen4 from that shop about 2 weeks ago & again it came with 2 mags PLUS he altered the box by crossing out 3 mags & hand writing in 2 mags.

He didn't want to give me that 3rd mag & pointed to the 2 mags hand written on the box. I told him I bought it as a new gun as it had the stores new price tag on it (store uses different color tags for new, used, or consignment)

So I again asked for the 3rd mag as a NEW Gen4 comes with 3 mags. He hesitated a bit so I quickly asked what his store number was on the sales papers as I was going to call Glock & ask for the missing mag as well as send them a picture of the box with 3 mags crossed off with 2 written in. (he tossed me 2 extra mags & told me "must have been a factory mistake" but he would personally make it good & deal with Glock later)

He's a real slick talker & one step above a crook but his prices are good so we put up with his **** & just look at it as part of the buying process.

I presume the Feds will haul his *** off one day then a good shop owner will move into that shop.

Is that shop a Glock Stocking Dealer? If so, Glock INC. doesn't tolerate that once they are made aware. New pistols are sold with the number of mags printed on the label.

 

[one eye joe]

Local dealer near me routinely removes one mag from new Gen4 Glock case then sells the guns as new with only 2 mags. (guns come with 3 mags from factory).

He also has a large pile of new Glock mags for sale at $30.00 each.

He does sell the Glocks at a darn good price but if sold as new they should have 3 mags in the box.

Some of us that frequent that shop have known about this for a long time now so were just buying the Gen4's with the two included mags then after sale & paperwork is done pointing out that the box it comes in says it comes with 3 mags. The owner then usually says OH! Glock must have screwed up & tosses us the 3rd mag from the pile of mags.

I bought a Gen4 from that shop about 2 weeks ago & again it came with 2 mags PLUS he altered the box by crossing out 3 mags & hand writing in 2 mags.

He didn't want to give me that 3rd mag & pointed to the 2 mags hand written on the box. I told him I bought it as a new gun as it had the stores new price tag on it (store uses different color tags for new, used, or consignment)

So I again asked for the 3rd mag as a NEW Gen4 comes with 3 mags. He hesitated a bit so I quickly asked what his store number was on the sales papers as I was going to call Glock & ask for the missing mag as well as send them a picture of the box with 3 mags crossed off with 2 written in. (he tossed me 2 extra mags & told me "must have been a factory mistake" but he would personally make it good & deal with Glock later)

He's a real slick talker & one step above a crook but his prices are good so we put up with his **** & just look at it as part of the buying process.

I presume the Feds will haul his *** off one day then a good shop owner will move into that shop.

HE'S NOT "ONE STEP ABOVE A CROOK". HE IS A CROOK ! ! ! !

 

[F75gunslinger]

I would say that if you know a dealer ( LGS ) is taking ANYTHING out of the package that comes with new firearms that you make a call to the company's customer service department and report said dealer. The gun comes with what it comes with from the factory. It isn't up to the dealer to determine what comes with it.

 

[peterdeb]

I'd walk away from the whole deal. No gun is worth being treated that way. And I'd let that dealer know in no uncertain terms that he'll never see me again. Ever.

Did the same thing here in Atlanta at a big LGS......something xxxdoors. Never went back. First time salesperson mistreated my wife to tears while she was looking at a P238. I was down the counter and thought he would be helpful, not a hole. Complained to the MRG. Idiot was gone next trip when I was looking at a 10-6. Sales guy went on about this coming from a local corrections institute and he knew the SGT there who prized his crew on how well they keep their revolvers. First one I looked at, the hammer wouldn't return. The second one looked good so I started the paperwork. When he went to get the original box, I took out my bore light and it was soooo dirty you couldn't see the grooves. He scrubbed and scrubbed but to no avail. I walked and haven't been back. I've have fantastic luck on gunbroker. I get my ammo online now too which is better priced than the LGS and I don't have to deal with them. Dang well worth it to me IMHO.

 

[frankcr]

Was the buyer told the gun had different grips than it had during the sale or did the buyer chose to upgrade the gun from the condition it was in after purchasing it?

So the seller took the opportunity to sell the grips and the gun separately which he had a right to do. Which set of grips were on the gun at the time it was sold?

The seller had a right to sell the gun without the original grips unless he misrepresented the gun to the buyer. If the buyer purchased the gun with the rubber grips, then that is the condition it was in at the time it was sold.

No one forced the buyer to purchase the gun, so he could have refused to purchase after seeing it. The rubber grips would have been evident when he handled it.

I think the seller and the gun shop are getting a bad rap which is not deserved.

 

[KEN L]

Okay, enough about the scumbags. What did you buy and where are the pics??

 

[wolverine]

Is that shop a Glock Stocking Dealer? If so, Glock INC. doesn't tolerate that once they are made aware. New pistols are sold with the number of mags printed on the label.

Morning 629shooter

Yes, he is a stocking dealer but we are not sure if he is an authorized Glock dealer as he gets his stock from a couple of different suppliers.

In one way I would like to see him go so we could get an honest owner in that shop but the other side of me says he does stock a very large number of guns & gets some in that are backordered in most other shops in my state so his shop has some use to us as shooters.

Most of us that have been dealing with him for a while now know how to deal with him ( like a slimy street vendor or gun show creep) so life goes on. I just feel sorry for the new shooters & uneducated gun buyers that he takes advantage of & most don't even know it.

 

[zelda]

My 686 Competitor came from GunBroker. The best shop for me is Dad's. Free guns, free ammo, AND free cleaning.

l hope he doesn't see this post

 

[lebomm]

Zelda;
My daughter gets her stuff at the same shop as you (except she does her own cleaning), and I wouldn't mind a bit if she left a post like yours. Betcha a cylinderful your dad wouldn't either. Shooting daughters make their daddies' chests swell up ! You go, girl !

Larry

 

[Dregg]

Chris, I'm about to purchase a revolver "sight unseen" and I too, am meeting the seller at an FFL.

I already know the revolver I'm looking to purchase is stainless, has factory wooden stocks, and a tyler grip attached.

My question to you is, did you speak to the seller before meeting at the FFL ?

 

[629shooter]

Morning 629shooter

Yes, he is a stocking dealer but we are not sure if he is an authorized Glock dealer as he gets his stock from a couple of different suppliers.

In one way I would like to see him go so we could get an honest owner in that shop but the other side of me says he does stock a very large number of guns & gets some in that are backordered in most other shops in my state so his shop has some use to us as shooters.

Most of us that have been dealing with him for a while now know how to deal with him ( like a slimy street vendor or gun show creep) so life goes on. I just feel sorry for the new shooters & uneducated gun buyers that he takes advantage of & most don't even know it.

I understand. Good prices, and certain items are hard to come by at times.

 

[diyj98]

I've met my share of crooked FFL's. One local guy is famous for selling brand new pistols that only come with one magazine. Of course he always seems to have a loose extra mag he'll let you have "for a good price". I bought a used rifle online and had it shipped to another local guy. After the deal was over, the seller asked me how I like the nice case he tossed in. When I picked the rifle up, the rifle was unboxed and the dealer said it was just wrapped in bubble wrap. Evidently my "free" nice case went home with the dealer.

 

[dave7v7]

By purchasing that Revolver you re-enforced that Dealers behavior.You new he switched the grips but you still patronized is business? I would have called him out being calm and respectful and then handed the Revolver back to him and Walked out of the store and never set foot in his shop ever again.You have plenty of private FFL dealers in your state and you can order whatever you want Online until you find a honest Retail store.

 

[BigBill]

Dealers,,,sleezey ones,

Buyer beware,

The sks' first came with everything cleaning kit, sling. Then they were sold separately.

The cz82 Czech surplus military pistol came with two mags. Most dealers separated the two mags and listed the extra mag for $28.

I was just browsing a online dealer who I don't do business with because he lists poor conditioned s&w 38 special revolvers for $400. These guns are beyond poor. My point is buyer beware.

I got the bait and switch by a LGS really bad once. He told me the Python was new. After haggling between two LGS one was $550 and the other one came down to $500. There was two in the case. This was at Dirty Harrys time with the m29. I settled for the $500 of course for a brand new one. After the paperwork was filled out and the cash was paid the word "used" came out?
This was my first handgun purchase. With my buddy who's a friend of the owner I picked my jaw up off the floor and left. I never went back. This was 1975. Trust me I grew a pair after that buy. The gun did look new. But the box was tattered.

Live and learn when to turn and burn.

Example, I just finished installing a 4way plow on my jeep. I wanted an extra set of plow pins. I walk into a local shop who sells and installs plows and accessories. The mechanic is chatting with some other customers who are hanging around. He looks at me and says I would have better luck getting waited on at k mart. They all laughed. I said I just purchased five brand new one ton ford 4x4 trucks that all need 4 way plows and sanders. I said my money is good anywhere and I walked out. There jaws dropped.

I was at Costco getting tires for my suburban. The tire changing guy was really busy. So busy he got mad and threw a tire at me. I blocked it. I went back in the store and reported it. I contacted the CEO.
I GOT A FREE two year membership card and a $200 gift card. I'm sorry I didn't call the cops and get a lawyer.

We're surrounded by sleeze bags.

No one sticks it to me now.

 

[cndrdk]

Stopped by a shop a couple years back and while shopping asked the owner if he had any old S&W wood stocks for sale. No, he replied, they are replaced and we immediately put the wood ones up for bid on E-Bay. His shop, his business, but I have never been back.

 

[one eye joe]

I almost never see older S&W's with original, wood stocks or boxes... I think its the trend of stripping the guns and selling that stuff on auction and other sites. It seems common practice these days. A nice, vintage with cheap rubber on it is ofter a deal breaker for me...That would sour me on that shop and there would be no further business from me. His choice to do that and my choice to spend my money elsewhere.

I SEE THE MOTIVE FOR REMOVING STOCKS, ESPECIALLY COMBATS, WHICH WILL BE SNAPPED UP. A BOX THAT IS NUMBERED TO A PARTICULAR FIREARM, REALLY DOES NOT ADD MUCH VALUE TO ANY OTHER FIREARM. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT DOES ADD VALUE TO THE ONE THAT IT ORIGINALLY CONTAINED….