The only way an FTDR should be assessed for round dumping is if the shooter shoots his mouth off about it. The SO is not there to judge the shooter's intent, but if said shooter wants to brag about breaking the rules, the penalty is earned.
Half the fun of shooting a revolver in IDPA
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The only way an FTDR should be assessed for round dumping is if the shooter shoots his mouth off about it. The SO is not there to judge the shooter's intent, but if said shooter wants to brag about breaking the rules, the penalty is earned.
RWR is good to know when you run into stages like that. Its not as fast but its better than a FTDR and remember all your shooting against is other revolver shooters. If its over 10 yds a extra round for O down is worth it and some times I'll miss a shot that i should of made. 
M1911-66
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That would be round dumping, which is punishable by an FTDR.
As an SO, I have never called round dumping, though I have suspected it at times. However, that would be blatant enough that I might call it.
I recently shot a stage which put me in a similar situation. At P1 were two threat targets, two shots each, and at P2 were three targets with two shots each. That meant I left P2 with two rounds in the gun. At P3 you fired two shots at threat target, and behind that target was a popper that activated a disappearing target. So if I fired at the first target at P3, I would be empty for the disappearing target. So I simply did a reload with retention between P2 and P3 (I was behind a wall, so I had cover).
This was not a big disadvantage for revolvers because semi-auto shooters had fired 10 shots by the time they reached P3. One of the bottom-feeder shooters that I ran forgot to do a reload with retention, fired his first shot at the target at P3, went to slide locked, and watched helplessly as the disappearing target appeared and then disappeared...
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Jim Watson
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"Round dumping" defined in the rule book as
Failure To Do Right (FTDR) Is assessed for any attempt to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of any stage by the use of
inappropriate devices, equipment or techniques.
Example 1. Firing extra rounds so that you may reload at a more
convenient time.
is completely contradictory to the definition of Vickers Count scoring:
In Vickers Count scoring, as many shots as desired may be fired, but only the best hits as specified by the course description will be scored.
So if you want to penalize "round dumping" you are telling me that the definition is really "as many shots as desired may be fired as long as your intention is acceptable."
Phooey.
Failure To Do Right (FTDR) Is assessed for any attempt to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of any stage by the use of
inappropriate devices, equipment or techniques.
Example 1. Firing extra rounds so that you may reload at a more
convenient time.
is completely contradictory to the definition of Vickers Count scoring:
In Vickers Count scoring, as many shots as desired may be fired, but only the best hits as specified by the course description will be scored.
So if you want to penalize "round dumping" you are telling me that the definition is really "as many shots as desired may be fired as long as your intention is acceptable."
Phooey.
M1911-66
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Jim, like it or not, round dumping is against the rules. Yes, it is about intention. Yes, it is a judgment call that is very rarely made for precisely that reason. When it is called, it is usually because the competitor was dumb enough to talk about it in earshot of the SO prior to shooting the stage. I've never called an FTDR for round dumping. I've never seen it called. I know one SO who has called it.
There are lots of rules in IDPA that require judgment calls by the SO. There are a number of rules in IDPA that I disagree with (for example, if you run dry while out in the open, you have to run to cover before initiating a reload). But I do my best to make my calls in accordance with the rules, whether I agree with them or not.
There are lots of rules in IDPA that require judgment calls by the SO. There are a number of rules in IDPA that I disagree with (for example, if you run dry while out in the open, you have to run to cover before initiating a reload). But I do my best to make my calls in accordance with the rules, whether I agree with them or not.
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The round dumping rule sorta contradicts it self with vickers scoring. I've also shot at clubs that didn't seem to like revolvers. I've had other shooters ask me how you gonna shoot this stage while having a sh*^ eating grin on there face. My answer always is "The best way I can"
I shot at a club this weekend with 89 shooters 6 bays and only 1 was revolver friendly. I tried to use it to my advantage with RWR ( 95 degs )concealment wasn't required I come in 22nd overall. When you shot a revolver bad stages are the norm.
I shot at a club this weekend with 89 shooters 6 bays and only 1 was revolver friendly. I tried to use it to my advantage with RWR ( 95 degs )concealment wasn't required I come in 22nd overall. When you shot a revolver bad stages are the norm.
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