Hangfires - Trigger - Frame Tool: status report

[motorcyclejoe]

Yesterday I tried the 9mm Blazer Brass (Dicks) with my 9mm M&P. I think I got 3 hangfires out of the first 50 rnd box. The delay was about .5 seconds. It cycled the M&P fine. Haven't tried it yet in my 1911. Went to the range again this morning with the M&P. I got one hangfire out of 50 rds. I did not clean the M&P between visitis to the range. Only shot a total of 100 rds in two days.

BTW - I also finally got the frame tool out without any damage. S&W has already mailed me another in case I damaged it trying to get it out. After they explained how it was press fitted into the frame, I was less reluctant to give it a good pull. Ended up very carefully using the side of a putty knife to get some leverage. Finally just popped out.

While on the phone, I also asked about the gritty trigger. They said to just shot the gun and the trigger would improve. I believe they are correct as the trigger has already improving significantly. If it keeps going, I'll be very satisfied. I think I've shot about 200 rds thus far.

 

[joestacey06]

After 100's of rounds through my 9c the trigger did not improve at all. Just installed the Apex kit the other day and I'm so happy I did.

 

[Rastoff]

The hang-fires concern me. That is an indication of bad ammo. The gun cannot cause a hang-fire.

Did you hear a positive "click" when you pulled the trigger?

 

[motorcyclejoe]

The hang-fires concern me. That is an indication of bad ammo. The gun cannot cause a hang-fire.

Did you hear a positive "click" when you pulled the trigger?

I think I did hear the click but I'm not positive. I will have to pay closer attention next time. I will also clean the firing pin as already suggested.

 

[shawn mccarver]

One advantage to hangfires in practice: You should clearly be able to see your sights jump (provided you have not closed your eyes in anticipation of firing - it is surprising how many people do this without even realizing it) when the trigger break occurs to help you identify if you are anticipating the shot ("flinching"). Cherish that ammo as you will never know when it is going to happen. The infrequent hangfires should help you become a better shot if you really start concentrating on not flinching and watching that front sight all the way through - called "follow through." This is similar to what revolver shooters used to do to new shooters learning to deal with flinching - load a couple of empties in the cylinder along with live ammo, and not let the shooter know when an empty is the next to fire. Flinching is painfully obvious if the shooter is watching his or her sights. It is most likely an ammo issue, so fire enough of your carry ammo to be confident it is not a gun problem, and then bang away at the range with your hangfire ammo!