Have the 22's lost some of their lustre?

Do Not Confuse a Temporary Swing for a Long Term Change

I have seen in recent years model 17, 18, 617 prices skyrocket.

I don't see it personally. I have no need for a 22 revolver. I don't see it as a training tool because of the difference between 22 and 38 ammo.

But now it seems with ammo prices so high for 22, there is even less of a reason to own/shoot the 22 guns. I see people trying to sell a brick for over $100, sorry, no thanks, I will pay a couple cents more and shoot 9mm or 38spl.

The .22 LR is one of the finest rounds ever conceived and it will never loose its luster. I cannot imagine a time that I would not own several handguns and several rifles chamber in 22LR.

The last bricks I bought were $15.50 for 550 rounds at Wal-Mart. I will not buy again until they are back at or near those prices.

The time to stock up on any commodity is when there is ample supple, not when the herd panics and decides to make purchases out of fear. The shortage of ammo is already showing signs of passing and in a few months the shelves should be fully stocked again, and prices back to normal. Like all markets from the stock market to the real estate market to the ammo market, unless there is government interference, there will be normal ups and downs in supply and demand. Government interference can create lasting changes or sharp ups or downs like the current one.

There is a lag between the time companies can ramp up production and get that product to market. There will also typically be a period when the ramped up production will exceed the demand. Then there is typically a period of over supply or saturation. Then come the sales and lowered prices to move the product. That is the time to stock up and to buy.

In other words the time to buy, especially to stock up, is when supply is plentiful and demand is low. Today we are still in the opposite situation. Today demand is high and supply is low. This is a time to sell off some excess stocks, not a time to buy.

This current market swing that temporarily caused a shortage of ammo and firearms, was artificially created by the Obama administration. This type of panic and attack on gun owners will likely occur again at some point in the future, as major elements of the federal government in Washington D. C. and powerful people mostly in the northeast and west coast, fully intend disarm the law abiding citizens of the USA and they will never stop trying.

So stocking up on ammo and firearms is a good plan, but this is not the time to do it. Certainly the most cost effective ammo to stock up on is .22 LR.
 
I guess what I was getting at, is there seem to be 2 types of gun owners:

1. people who collect guns.
- They collect very high grade guns and shoot them infrequently, if ever.
- They have "shooter grade" guns which probably look better than most of our best guns and shoot them. Maybe.
2. people who shoot and dont care about how nice they look
- They may shoot a lot, they use guns as a tool, not as something to look at
- They care more about cost per shot
- They own a 22 because primarily it's cheaper to shoot

With prices the way they are now, the cost per shot for 22 has gone way up. That was one of my main points. You can get a model 10 or model 14 for $200-$300 unless you are a collector and snub your nose at a less than 98% gun. You cant touch a model 17 or model 18 for less than $600 realistically, in a lot of cases $800. That difference in cost buys a lot of ammo.

I have owned 17's and 18's in the past, I sold them in the not so recent past because I found myself lacking a justification for something I really dont care much to shoot.

Of course, this is all my opinion, I thought it would make for an excellent discourse, and it has. Thanks.
 
My most used round is the .22. I usually have a scoped Ruger 10/22 beside me on the porch ("I live back in the wood you see with a woman and the kids and the dogs and me") to kill the critters that tear up my yard... ground hogs and armadillos. I've owned at least one .22 caliber gun for 62 years. I still have my very first .22 rifle my Dad (Santa) gave me when I was 9 years old.

I had about 1000 rounds when the SHTF and have managed to accumulate a little more at relatively low prices since then.

I can not imagine my life without a .22
 
my favorite gun is a 22. also known as a jet. finesse-r- good luck on the 15.50 price per brick.
 
The 22caliber in shorts, longs, and long rifle will never lose its luster. I was shooting them in the beginning and put them away for a while but about 30 years later I'm more into them then ever collecting and shooting them. Most of us went from the semi auto 22cal rifle to the sks semi auto in 7,62x39 the big boys toy. It was still affordable for plunking at the time. As time went on thinking bigger is better as I got older with the new grandson being 3yo now I figured I'd get him some 22's to play with. My first 22 revolver is the s&w k22 masterpiece. Never owing a s&w gun before I wanted to get more once I realized the quality of them. I backed up my k22 with a k38 combat masterpiece and a k38 target masterpiece in 38 special. But I'm still after the 22caliber rifles and handguns to play with inbetween. I think everyone should own a k22 revolver too. If you like guns don't limit yourself to one caliber.
My last 5,000rd case of 22lr was $225 delivered.
When the ammo was affordable that was the time to stock up on it. The first ammo shortages should of taught us this. The next thing to take a hit is the reloading tools too. The cast bullets are hard to get now too. The supply of reloading presses have run out in some places too.

When I first purchased my bear rifle in 338win mag back in '94 I thought the 338 ammo was high at $24 a box. I grabbed a box every chance I could back then. Now it's $70 a box if you can find it.

Remember the gas guzzler muscle cars of the 60's and the 70's I figure if we could afford one we could afford to feed it. My point is if we can afford the gun we can afford to shoot it right?
 
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I have seen in recent years model 17, 18, 617 prices skyrocket.

I dont see it personally. I have no need for a 22 revolver. I dont see it as a training tool because of the difference between 22 and 38 ammo.

But now it seems with ammo prices so high for 22, there is even less of a reason to own/shoot the 22 guns. I see people trying to sell a brick for over $100, sorry, no thanks, I will pay a couple cents more and shoot 9mm or 38spl.

22s are just fun to shoot! Low noise, no recoil, kids really like just shooting them at cans, targets, ect. as compare to the loud recoiling centerfires. It is a gun they are able to handle and enjoy with no fear. Just like any of the guns, what's not to like.:)

It is too bad about the prices and supply though. Hopefully everything will settle down.
Ed
 
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IMO the 22 rimfire S@W revolver in 17. 18 or 617 hasn't lost any "luster" or desireability at all. Back in early 1972 I was able to purchase my first S@W 17 that showed up as a shipment of four at an LGS. The first one I had ever laid eyes on in my part of PA. I've purchased most of the ones that I could find, and afford, ever since that first one. Granted I have probably missed a few over the years, but not many. They just don't show up around my part of the Keystone state, either new or used, that often. Although I did run into a couple of 4" 617's at two different shops, both of which are now mine. Don't even get me started about the 98% M 18 I took too long to decide on that was marked at $400. They just don't show up that often............Dan. P.S. All those that you have no need for, you just pack them up carefully and ship them to me, I'll find a good home for them!!!!!
 
I have seen in recent years model 17, 18, 617 prices skyrocket.

I dont see it personally. I have no need for a 22 revolver. I dont see it as a training tool because of the difference between 22 and 38 ammo.

But now it seems with ammo prices so high for 22, there is even less of a reason to own/shoot the 22 guns. I see people trying to sell a brick for over $100, sorry, no thanks, I will pay a couple cents more and shoot 9mm or 38spl.

S&W .22 revolvers. You either love them for what they are or you don't. If you view the value of the gun solely on it's training abilities and/or how much it costs to feed, you're stuck firmly on the "don't" side.

p.s. Your missing out.
 
I got two a pre 17 and pre 18 both are great but I would appreciate them more if I lived in a rural area. Don't do any plinking in my neighborhood just houses, cars and asphalt!!
 
Nobius, you might search out a Taurus M94. I've got an older one in SS with a 3" barrel and it's a pretty good shooter. I'd prefer a Diamondback but not at those prices.
 
I don't think the market place has decided to call it quits on the 22LR revolver as a Model 617 no dash 4 inch recently sold for $1400 on GB and I have a no dash 4 inch and a 6 inch as well with no plans on selling them. I also have two Model 18's and Model 17-4 and a K22 as well as a S&W Model 41 and a S&W Model M&P model 22.
I'll keep shooting them as long as I have ammo or can get some. Heck if the bad times come it's one calibar I would take with me because it quiet and the ammo is light weight and it does kill most things fairly quickly.
 
I don't think the market place has decided to call it quits on the 22LR revolver as a Model 617 no dash 4 inch recently sold for $1400 on GB

Yea, but people are also paying $800 for model 28's now, over a grand for model 19's, etc
 
Well gee, after four months of searching for 22 LR I still haven't found any (except for Eley from England and Aguila from Mexico). Guess I'm just not trying "hard enough"!

Dave

Dave ... My small town LGS just got a mixed delivery of rifle and pistol ammo yesterday, and some other area shops have had increased stock on shelves over the past few weeks. I've heard from other folks here in PA that supply has been very regionally-based, with more success being experienced down south toward PA-MD, than up here near PA-NY. Believe me, I've looked very hard over the past six months for ammo, and have struck out more that scored. But my searching has continued in earnest as necessary, and has paid dividends as of late. I lucked into three bricks of .22 at WMart last month simply based on right place-right time. That's what I was referring to with respect to "looking hard enough" ...
 
Ive seen a few 22lr S&W revolvers recently ...close to $1G :eek::screwy: i never seen the allure of 22s. I have one for the heck of it and its the least used rifle. I also cant figure out how they are good for the woods. There are no man eating rabbits or squirrels and i'd rather have a larger caliber for those that are. Im also a firm believer in practice what you carry so a 22 doesn't help much. Getting used to a 22, the shooter will later have to get used to the recoil and trigger pull of a different caliber from a different gun....like starting all over.

However, the great thing about it is that i dont buy them and pass the savings on to those who will enjoy them :D

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no, I don't believe they have. got a 4" 617-1, a 6" 617 on it's way, and designs on getting a pre-17 to go with my pre-14. they great fun to shoot, and great practice as well.
 
A 22lr revolver is like a hammer, every home should have at least one. Eventually the hoarders will have enough, production will catch up with demand and it will once again be on the shelves. The 22lr isn't going anywhere.


I have 15 hammers, guess I better buy more 22 LR firearms. You need one for each hammer. :D I'll need an N-frame 22 LR to go with the 22 ounce Estwing framing hammer.
 
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They haven't lost any luster for me...
 

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