He wants to renounce his u.s. Citizenship!
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feralmerril
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I already opened one old family secret. Its really worse. I am already on sisters sxxt list again. Let me talk of two parts of the subject here on mental illness with youths. Unbelivably my sister had three of six kids with some type of pysco/scitzo or whatever you want to call it. One of the three died 5 years ago on my watch. He was about 40 at the time. By that I mean I handled his check book etc.
Everybody says I am wrong and I might be. How could 3 out of 6 have these problems if not genetic? Both parents were smart and highly educated, my brother in law was in to physical fittness, but did die with a heart attack at about 45 years old. He used to run with those boys like a drill sargent. All the family were thin, and the parents were pretty much vegatarians etc.
From what I seen all the kids were normal untill they hit their early teens. Then all 3 of the 6 were noticebly in trouble.
There was another factor, at least to me. Most everyone tells me I am wrong. My sister and brother in law were/are heavy into scientology. Scientology has a process called auditing. To me it is nothing but brain washing. Here is how it works. They have a gadget they call a E-meter. It is nothing but sort of a cheap electric box with two tin cans hooked up to it. It measures reaction to questions as the "auditor" asks them. I call it a 10 cent lie detector. The aim of this is to get rid of past disagreeable bad experiences you have had in your many past lives. Scientologists belive you have lived thousands of times before. When you are audited they talk about every and anything you can think of. When the auditor see,s something on the gage that bothers you, they now talk, talk, talk, talk about it untill they get a neutral reading. Is that not brain washing? The process is claimed to be to get rid of all negatives you ever had in your past lives and make you what they call a "clear". Of course there is a charge for all this that goes to the cult.
Now the reason I discribed the above is that my nephews were all part of this at very early ages and all had this and unknown many other teachings done to them.
Yes, 3 of 6 got hit in their early teens as skitzos do. The world tells me I am wrong, and there is a family split between my sister and me as we have fought over it.
What do you people think? Am I out of line?
Everybody says I am wrong and I might be. How could 3 out of 6 have these problems if not genetic? Both parents were smart and highly educated, my brother in law was in to physical fittness, but did die with a heart attack at about 45 years old. He used to run with those boys like a drill sargent. All the family were thin, and the parents were pretty much vegatarians etc.
From what I seen all the kids were normal untill they hit their early teens. Then all 3 of the 6 were noticebly in trouble.
There was another factor, at least to me. Most everyone tells me I am wrong. My sister and brother in law were/are heavy into scientology. Scientology has a process called auditing. To me it is nothing but brain washing. Here is how it works. They have a gadget they call a E-meter. It is nothing but sort of a cheap electric box with two tin cans hooked up to it. It measures reaction to questions as the "auditor" asks them. I call it a 10 cent lie detector. The aim of this is to get rid of past disagreeable bad experiences you have had in your many past lives. Scientologists belive you have lived thousands of times before. When you are audited they talk about every and anything you can think of. When the auditor see,s something on the gage that bothers you, they now talk, talk, talk, talk about it untill they get a neutral reading. Is that not brain washing? The process is claimed to be to get rid of all negatives you ever had in your past lives and make you what they call a "clear". Of course there is a charge for all this that goes to the cult.
Now the reason I discribed the above is that my nephews were all part of this at very early ages and all had this and unknown many other teachings done to them.
Yes, 3 of 6 got hit in their early teens as skitzos do. The world tells me I am wrong, and there is a family split between my sister and me as we have fought over it.
What do you people think? Am I out of line?
Joni_Lynn
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Maybe he should just apply for a position with the current administration in Washington DC.
I have my own way of dealing with those that are nuts, I leave them alone, stay as far away as possible and hope they stay away from me.
I have my own way of dealing with those that are nuts, I leave them alone, stay as far away as possible and hope they stay away from me.
Spotteddog
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Then add environmental aspects to a kids genetic pre-disposal toward mental illness, stir in self medication via street drugs with alcohol use quite often and you've got a real situation on your hands! Add too, a very real resistance on the part of the "system" to do anything with or for them and poof, instant loony! There just seems to be a certain cross section that are destined to be as nutty as Squirrel turds. And that cross sections distribution isn't always "even"?
scooter123
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I think that GatorFarmer has pretty much hit the nail on the head. My step brother is schizophrenic and it first started manifesting when he was 19. Fortunately, he was able to finish college and work for 2 years after that before the meds were no longer effective enough, so he did qualify for social security disability. However it's a really horrible disease and the meds are no picnic. After about 30 years of those meds my step brother had a pancreatitis attack that nearly killed him and it's been a life with a lot of potential totally wasted.
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Well, hopefully he'll come back to his senses before he messes up his life too much.
This was me at 18:
Good thing I got it out of my system - don't have hair down the middle anymore!
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Looks like your hair (line) did a 180!
How hot is it out in ABQ today? It's a humid 102 here in NW FL.
Is there still an archery store up in the NW section of town called Southwest Archery Inc, run my M. Herrera? I left ABQ for Anchorage in 92. Miss both of them.
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jag312
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I have great pity for people who are mentally ill. I know there can always be a tragic ending. Last month here in San Jose a man with a history of mental illness stopped taking his medication. He took a knife and cut his brother's throat. The police were called. He came at the police with the knife. I don't need to tell you how it ended.
Unfortunately, it is the police who are on the front line when things go bad with the mentally ill.
Unfortunately, it is the police who are on the front line when things go bad with the mentally ill.
feralmerril
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The nephew that died on me was very lethargic on medication and slept all the time. After a long time the autophsy finding was that he died of a pulminary embolisim. One of the boys is 6ft 7"s tall and scared of his own shadow! At various times my sister tried to take all three off medication and in all trys they always ended up confined in mental hospitals! So many times I cant count them! The remaining two are on the system. My sister has built her life around the tall one who is about 42 years old and is the youngest. She has two more boys and one daughter that are said to be normal? None ever married, the daughter did. Sis splits the rent with the two "normal?" boys that are mid age batchlors. There is strife, all are scientologists, one refuses the two with problems to come to the house when he is there.
I got pissed at my nephews funneral. The one that forbids to have anything to do with the mental cases got up and gave a eulogy how he loved his brother etc after he hadnt seen him by choice for about 15 years! I got up and said my piece and wasnt popular, to say the least! I had taken care of two of my nephews for about 10 to 15 years off and on since their dad died! Once in awhile my sister would get involved, try to take them off meds and they always would end up in the hospital and/or nut house!
When my brother in law died, his father who was very religious, sat there listening to the scientology preacher giveing a inane speach, cut him short, got up and preached his own sons funneral! His dad told the congergation his son was in hell! The old man was a ex old time professional boxer and gym owner. Nobody dared stop him! (I loved it!) After the funneral I tried to unite with my brother in laws brother as we had been kids together. I couldnt find him and one of my nephews said he last seen him chaseing the "preacher" down hollywood bolivard! I came from "interesting" people!
My sister sent me a tape on scientology for my brithday about 3 months ago. Later she e-mailed me to ask if I got it and what I thought about it. I told her I chucked it in the garbage, and why open that can of worms again etc. Now she has disconnected with me again as she did our folks many years ago. Oh well!
I got pissed at my nephews funneral. The one that forbids to have anything to do with the mental cases got up and gave a eulogy how he loved his brother etc after he hadnt seen him by choice for about 15 years! I got up and said my piece and wasnt popular, to say the least! I had taken care of two of my nephews for about 10 to 15 years off and on since their dad died! Once in awhile my sister would get involved, try to take them off meds and they always would end up in the hospital and/or nut house!
When my brother in law died, his father who was very religious, sat there listening to the scientology preacher giveing a inane speach, cut him short, got up and preached his own sons funneral! His dad told the congergation his son was in hell! The old man was a ex old time professional boxer and gym owner. Nobody dared stop him! (I loved it!) After the funneral I tried to unite with my brother in laws brother as we had been kids together. I couldnt find him and one of my nephews said he last seen him chaseing the "preacher" down hollywood bolivard! I came from "interesting" people!
My sister sent me a tape on scientology for my brithday about 3 months ago. Later she e-mailed me to ask if I got it and what I thought about it. I told her I chucked it in the garbage, and why open that can of worms again etc. Now she has disconnected with me again as she did our folks many years ago. Oh well!
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feralmerril
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My ex wife also had a brother like that. I understand he was a supersharp good looking youth. He got hit with schitopheria in high school and became a huge problem! Ultra right wing, he once got deported from sweeden for calling the king a commie etc.
He once knifed a woman he didnt know walked to the police station and told them he just killed a commie! (she didnt die.) My ex father in law fought to keep him in the criminaly insane hospital, but the system would always spring him and he would get in trouble again! It ruined and probley contributed to the death of my ex mother in law!
I am uneducated in these things, but I do have plenty of hands on experiance!
What the hell is causeing this sxxt? It seems to be more prevlent then when I was a kid! It is awful for the familys! I went through years of events to straighten out with my nephews. Some of them were comical. My ex-wife ran off and I had to handel the boys by myself. I was working tons of OT to survive and little sleep. One day I got a call from the secatary of a mental health work center where he spent his time on some project.
"Mr. Werch, your nephew is at the liabrary makeing a scene telling people he has ades and that nobody belives him! ( My nephew would see things discussed on TV and was a hypercondriac and belived he had everything published). "Okay, I will straighen it out." I had about a half hour sleep after a double shift and was mad to say the least! I drove down to the libary and seen him sitting on the floor talking to 4 or 5 old women. He seen me comeing, pointed at me and told the old girls, thats my uncle, and he dont belive I got ades either! I was far beyond being nice and didnt explain myself! I reached down, yanked him up and started out with him in a hammer lock. He tripped me and we skidded right up to the libarians desk with me on top, still holding him in the hammer lock! The old libarian let out a screech, people gathered and the sheriffs were called. They screeched for me not to leave etc. Of course I knew most of the deputys and never lived it down! A great time was had by all! I got more, but you get the idea!
He once knifed a woman he didnt know walked to the police station and told them he just killed a commie! (she didnt die.) My ex father in law fought to keep him in the criminaly insane hospital, but the system would always spring him and he would get in trouble again! It ruined and probley contributed to the death of my ex mother in law!
I am uneducated in these things, but I do have plenty of hands on experiance!
What the hell is causeing this sxxt? It seems to be more prevlent then when I was a kid! It is awful for the familys! I went through years of events to straighten out with my nephews. Some of them were comical. My ex-wife ran off and I had to handel the boys by myself. I was working tons of OT to survive and little sleep. One day I got a call from the secatary of a mental health work center where he spent his time on some project.
"Mr. Werch, your nephew is at the liabrary makeing a scene telling people he has ades and that nobody belives him! ( My nephew would see things discussed on TV and was a hypercondriac and belived he had everything published). "Okay, I will straighen it out." I had about a half hour sleep after a double shift and was mad to say the least! I drove down to the libary and seen him sitting on the floor talking to 4 or 5 old women. He seen me comeing, pointed at me and told the old girls, thats my uncle, and he dont belive I got ades either! I was far beyond being nice and didnt explain myself! I reached down, yanked him up and started out with him in a hammer lock. He tripped me and we skidded right up to the libarians desk with me on top, still holding him in the hammer lock! The old libarian let out a screech, people gathered and the sheriffs were called. They screeched for me not to leave etc. Of course I knew most of the deputys and never lived it down! A great time was had by all! I got more, but you get the idea!
Dealing with people that are mentally ill can be very trying. Especially for the primary care giver. It requires tons of patience on their part. And the sad part is that it is something we can never completely understand. We simply can not understand irrational behavior, by the application of reason and logic. It is all too easy to get upset at a person who is mentally ill that we are caring for, but this only makes matters worse.
What does work? There isn't anything that will actually "fix" the situation. We simply must try to have patience with the person and do everything we can to care for them, including making sure they take their meds. This can be a big problem in itself. You can name any medication prescribed for anything and it has unpleasant side effects. Some folks would rather avoid these side effects than take the medication. It is no different with nerve meds. Also there is the very real problem of the patient not being on the best med for his particular condition. Certain meds will work much better for some than it will others. Make sure the meds are right. And then there is the problem of getting those meds right. Too much of the correct meds is at least as bad as no meds.
We are talking about a long term situation that will be very trying for all concerned. if you are the primary care giver be patient. If you are not the primary care giver please try to be of assistance to the primary care giver. Remember they have the responsibility so try not to be critical of their efforts.
We really need to pray for this young man and his family. I believe they need it.
What does work? There isn't anything that will actually "fix" the situation. We simply must try to have patience with the person and do everything we can to care for them, including making sure they take their meds. This can be a big problem in itself. You can name any medication prescribed for anything and it has unpleasant side effects. Some folks would rather avoid these side effects than take the medication. It is no different with nerve meds. Also there is the very real problem of the patient not being on the best med for his particular condition. Certain meds will work much better for some than it will others. Make sure the meds are right. And then there is the problem of getting those meds right. Too much of the correct meds is at least as bad as no meds.
We are talking about a long term situation that will be very trying for all concerned. if you are the primary care giver be patient. If you are not the primary care giver please try to be of assistance to the primary care giver. Remember they have the responsibility so try not to be critical of their efforts.
We really need to pray for this young man and his family. I believe they need it.
Marshall 357
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We have one in our family too! RF Waves,people in the bushes,everyone is out to get him. They are controlling people ''Who are they anyway''? Dont let him move in with you! He will destroy your family and peace!
Sportsterguy
Member
Are you sure he isn't already on Meds / Meth / Crack? I've dealt with many kids and adults with mental illnesses and drug addictions. Sometimes hard to tell the two apart without a friendly visit to LabCorp for a wizz quiz.
Either way the kid needs help.
Either way the kid needs help.
HOUSTON RICK
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Send him to the Tehran School for Ayatollahs.
Wickahoney
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I think you have done more than ANYBODY could reasonably expect, including your sister. Actually, especially your sister. There is one other person you are going to have to let off the hook, you.
I have a sister in law, She is HUGE. As I've explained to my wife over and over and over for 40+ years, she is ill and she is also a meen person. She had three kids. Katie died of a brain anurisnm at age 8. The really didn't help and Loa got worse. The next one Kevin died of, you got it a brain anurism at age 17. She went off the deep end. The last one, Brian was a bit of a sociopath. He'd just got out of prison and went to see his mom for Thanksgiving. Complained of a headache, and fell over dead with exactly the same damned anurism.
To this day she will not come to grips with the fact it HAD to be genetic and that nothing she did or could have done would have prevented it.
In the interum she gets angry at everybody in her immeadiate family and takes out her unhappyness on them. My wife would try and do things with her and would end up a wreck for weeks from just being around her.
After our daughter died of an astma attack Loa was vindictive and meen rather than supportive. I talked to the wife psychiatrist and gave her some insight because I knew my wife never would. Telling family secrets/tails and all that B.S.
When the wife went in the next time they talked, at length. The shrink advised the wife that NOTHING was going to make Loa happy and that because she was miserable she felt everybody else should be also. She recomended/insisted that my wife sever ALL contact with her sister in otrder to save her own life and sanity. Essentually she had to divorce herself from her sister.
We haven't had ANY contact with the sister since 2002 and I suspect we'll go through the rest of our life without contact. To do anything else is simply poisonous for my wife.
I know you feal bad about your nieces and nephews. Bottom line, there isn't much you can do and there is no reason to beat yourself up over it.
I agree the kids are probably sick/crazy. The sad part is that with most people suffering this that as soon as they are on thier meds they feal better. When they feal better they don't think they need the meds. It's a vicous circle.
I can relate a bit. When my daughter died I was right on the edge of suicide for about 3 years. To be honest the only reason I didn't was I KNEW it would kill my wife and son. So at least I was that rational. When I finally saw the shrink the first question he asked was exactly what could I have done to prevent her death? In a moment of clarity the answer was nothing. "So quit beating yourself up, 24-7-365". He did put me on anti depressants. It got rid of most of the suicidal ideology but it did make me "flat" no sorrow or grief but also no joy or laughter. After about 18 months I complained to the shrink about that aspect of the meds. His response? If you are that self aware, you don't need them anymore.
Take care of yourself. You can not solve the worlds problems and you can't solve your families problems, sadly they are beyond anything you can do and you've tried damned hard.
the best
Ross W Thomas
I have a sister in law, She is HUGE. As I've explained to my wife over and over and over for 40+ years, she is ill and she is also a meen person. She had three kids. Katie died of a brain anurisnm at age 8. The really didn't help and Loa got worse. The next one Kevin died of, you got it a brain anurism at age 17. She went off the deep end. The last one, Brian was a bit of a sociopath. He'd just got out of prison and went to see his mom for Thanksgiving. Complained of a headache, and fell over dead with exactly the same damned anurism.
To this day she will not come to grips with the fact it HAD to be genetic and that nothing she did or could have done would have prevented it.
In the interum she gets angry at everybody in her immeadiate family and takes out her unhappyness on them. My wife would try and do things with her and would end up a wreck for weeks from just being around her.
After our daughter died of an astma attack Loa was vindictive and meen rather than supportive. I talked to the wife psychiatrist and gave her some insight because I knew my wife never would. Telling family secrets/tails and all that B.S.
When the wife went in the next time they talked, at length. The shrink advised the wife that NOTHING was going to make Loa happy and that because she was miserable she felt everybody else should be also. She recomended/insisted that my wife sever ALL contact with her sister in otrder to save her own life and sanity. Essentually she had to divorce herself from her sister.
We haven't had ANY contact with the sister since 2002 and I suspect we'll go through the rest of our life without contact. To do anything else is simply poisonous for my wife.
I know you feal bad about your nieces and nephews. Bottom line, there isn't much you can do and there is no reason to beat yourself up over it.
I agree the kids are probably sick/crazy. The sad part is that with most people suffering this that as soon as they are on thier meds they feal better. When they feal better they don't think they need the meds. It's a vicous circle.
I can relate a bit. When my daughter died I was right on the edge of suicide for about 3 years. To be honest the only reason I didn't was I KNEW it would kill my wife and son. So at least I was that rational. When I finally saw the shrink the first question he asked was exactly what could I have done to prevent her death? In a moment of clarity the answer was nothing. "So quit beating yourself up, 24-7-365". He did put me on anti depressants. It got rid of most of the suicidal ideology but it did make me "flat" no sorrow or grief but also no joy or laughter. After about 18 months I complained to the shrink about that aspect of the meds. His response? If you are that self aware, you don't need them anymore.
Take care of yourself. You can not solve the worlds problems and you can't solve your families problems, sadly they are beyond anything you can do and you've tried damned hard.
the best
Ross W Thomas
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