Heavy bullet for 357 Magnum?

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Where my friend and I woods walk is somewhere in Lolo National Forest. She has a phobia about bears. The likelihood of a bear contact or confrontation approaches zero, Nevertheless, extreme west-central Montana has a lot of bears (when compared with anywhere else in CONUS). I have two Freedom Arms Model 97s in 45 Colt for which I have 44 Magnum [equivalent] ammunition and have offered her the one of her choice for our woods walks. She owns an S&W 640-1 in 357 Magnum that she shoots quite well with 38 Special +P LSWC-HP "FBI" ammunition. She doesn't want to use a single action revolver, especially one that is significantly more powerful at both ends.

So I bought an older S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman 357 Magnum with 4-inch barrel. I want to acquire perhaps 150 rounds of 357 Magnum ammunition that will be reasonably prophylactic for that near-zero possibility of her becoming more intimate with a bear than she would prefer. I am considering 180- and 200-grain 357 Magnum ammunition. Cast bullet full power loads of factory 357 I anticipate will punch a .358-inch hole with through-and-through penetration. I have no experience with 180- and 200- grain jacketed bullets used in factory ammunition. I suspect one of them might include nose expansion while penetrating nearly as well as the cast bullet ammunition.

Anyone who has used a slightly expanding factory loaded 357 Magnum ammunition using bullets between 180 and 200 grains, please let me know. I strongly prefer replies from people who have used the ammunition on larger game animals or penetration testing of the ammunition. And please keep in mind that the 4-inch barrel will cost velocity.
 
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If your girlfriend will be shooting the M28 I suggest not buying such a heavy bullet. A 158gr hard cast bullet or 158gr JSP bullet will be just fine. She will not like practicing with the heavy bullet especially if it's doing 1400fps like Buffalo Bore reports. This is just my opinion.
 
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Expansion comes at the cost of less penetration. Rather than go through a big search for the perfect type of ammo I would buy some ammo with a hard cast bullet like the one Underwood uses in their 180 grain loading. I have never seen or done any testing with this particular ammo but hard cast bullets have been tested and used enough to know that if you want penetration a HC bullet is the best way to get it.
 
My first thought was, what a great role for a Glock 23. And Buffalo Bore agrees.

"Today’s polymer framed, lightweight, reliable, accurate, affordable, high capacity pistols are a great tool for use in the woods if you run proper ammo for that purpose. My wife has three Glock 23’s that she uses for woods carry simply because they weigh no more than her three inches J frame steel 357 mag., but hold almost three times the ammo and don’t chew her hand up as much. Plus, properly tailored 40 S&W ammo, is as formidable as 357 mag. ammo."
 
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Hot, heavily loaded .357s have gained ground in recent years as a bear defense round. Some cite the smaller frontal area keeps penetration high even compared to the .44 magnum and .45 Colt +P.
 
Have the heavy bullet ammunition. I purchased 100 rounds of Grizzly 200-grain 357 Magnum ammunition (SKU: GC357M14). She and I zeroed and shot for familiarity 43 rounds. In the absence of a chronograph to verify how closely the cartridge's muzzle velocity matches Grizzly's advertised velocity, all I can report is: the ammunition has more than satisfactory accuracy and consistency for its intended purpose; and GOOD LORD!! what a handful!

Shooting the ammunition in the Highway Patrolman brought to mind the adage: Be careful what you wish for.
 
With a bear load, the amount of ammo is not really important.......

because you seldom have time for more than three shots before
the bear is on you, dead or running away.

Placing a bullet in a Bear is the last thing you want to do...........
unless it is a matter of life and death !!

Getting to shoot well with accuracy from 25 yards in is mandatory. Hopefully the animal will "Bluff" and stop short of contact but there are some that are just down right mean or had a bad day at the office.......
or has a kill or cubs in the area.

Stay safe.
 
While I've not used the Remington 180gr SJHP factory load, I've settled on it's use for both my 4-inch S&Ws and Marlin level rifle based on video ballistics tests such as this one. The performance seems to be exactly what you're looking for.
 
For use on large, thick skinned, heavy boned animals, my suggestion would be similar to some others.....go with a hard cast, wide metplat, somewhat heavy for caliber. In this case, 180 or heavier. Expanding bullets , even those of controlled expansion design, are generally “not” recommended for use on potentially dangerous large animals. This is especially important at handgun velocities! My experiences are with a 44 Mag., but the limitations are pretty similar! memtb
 
IMO ammo from Grizzly Cartridges and a few other like Garrett are true hunting ammo loads and not velocity gimmicks like the buzz names that many throw around on forums. If you are hunting with handguns or using handguns for true threats in the woods you will be very well served by Grizzly Cartridges ammo but be sure to practice with it so you can learn to shoot it well.

The bullets used are more important than the velocity numbers, again IMO.
 
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Where my friend and I woods walk is somewhere in Lolo National Forest. She has a phobia about bears. The likelihood of a bear contact or confrontation approaches zero, Nevertheless, extreme west-central Montana has a lot of bears (when compared with anywhere else in CONUS). I have two Freedom Arms Model 97s in 45 Colt for which I have 44 Magnum [equivalent] ammunition and have offered her the one of her choice for our woods walks. She owns an S&W 640-1 in 357 Magnum that she shoots quite well with 38 Special +P LSWC-HP "FBI" ammunition. She doesn't want to use a single action revolver, especially one that is significantly more powerful at both ends.

So I bought an older S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman 357 Magnum with 4-inch barrel. I want to acquire perhaps 150 rounds of 357 Magnum ammunition that will be reasonably prophylactic for that near-zero possibility of her becoming more intimate with a bear than she would prefer. I am considering 180- and 200-grain 357 Magnum ammunition. Cast bullet full power loads of factory 357 I anticipate will punch a .358-inch hole with through-and-through penetration. I have no experience with 180- and 200- grain jacketed bullets used in factory ammunition. I suspect one of them might include nose expansion while penetrating nearly as well as the cast bullet ammunition.

Anyone who has used a slightly expanding factory loaded 357 Magnum ammunition using bullets between 180 and 200 grains, please let me know. I strongly prefer replies from people who have used the ammunition on larger game animals or penetration testing of the ammunition. And please keep in mind that the 4-inch barrel will cost velocity.



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I've had very good success in the past with the Corbon 200gr Lead bullet for Hogs. It will penetrate and break bones very well. I would think it would be great for bear as well. I've had trouble finding it, so I've got some Cast Performance 200gr Lead with Gas Check Loaded up but have not tried for accuracy.
 
Penetration is king here. If my butt was on the line, I'd stay far away from the jacketed soft points. If it comes apart on a skull or heavy bone, you might as well not have fired it.

I'd load 158 or 180 hardcast SWC or flat points, going fast. Certainly with a good roll crimp.

Several factories make this load.
 
I read one "Net" thread that had a 4" 357 Magnum, 180gr at 1375fps per maker......
getting 40" of penetration.

Their test stated that Cor-Bon and Black Hills were the most accurate with the 180gr lead Swc bullet design.
I did notice that they did not test Buff. Bore ammo, though.

BB has a 357 in a 180gr Lwc with a 4" doing 1375fps
a 9mm 147gr LFN at 1100fps, with a long barrel
even a M642 snub load, 158gr Lwc at 1027fps.... for bear ?

The big .358 lead bullet would be a good pick but it would also
have a lot of recoil, for those practice sessions, if used in a light weight weapon !!

I find that dogs help keep bears away, if you have them......
don't know about cats. :D
 
I would take a look at Underwood's extream penetrators... they are barrier blind and I think would pass threw a bear skull NP, but shot placement is everything IMO if you cant get a CNS hit you're just gonna tick the bear off ... out of my 4in and 3in 686 recoil is comparable to REM 158GRN HTP ammo... very manageable with magnas and a tyler t on the 4in and houge bantam on the 3in. Hope this helps
 
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