Help A New Magpul Owner With More Stupid Questions Than Teeth

[Snyderman]

I recently caved in and bought my oft-coveted Magpul MP15-22 from my local dealer. Out the door, $548.35 cash American. DUR5xxx

I am a lifelong revolver of all sizes shooter. This is literally the first rifle I have even held. As such, I have many of the questions a first timer would have.

I really only want a scope and sling on this, so what kind of scope would you recommend that:

Does slight magnification. Most of my shooting will be inside 100 yards.
Allows simultaneous iron sight usage. I have deeply ingrained love for the purity of iron sight target acquisition. I need it. I must have it.
Is made in the USA. 'Nuff said.
Is your pick for best deal under $200. Simple high quality over lower quality feature loaded.

OK, now for the true dumbness. Any AR15 accessories work on this weapon? Are extra mounting pieces needed when you buy a scope? Is this rifle possible to upgrade to .223? What is the deal with springs? Does that make the trigger pull lighter, smoother, etc? Speaking of which....

If money was no object, how would you build on the Magpul 22? What would you get, what does that mod do exactly, and where would you get it?

If this forum had reps, I would give them to anyone who stuck with me thru all that and was good enough to reply. As it stands, much good internet karma to you!

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The short answer is no. Some say that they can use iron sights with the Millet DMS but it ain't the 'pure' you're talking about. If you want available magnification and use of iron sights then you might want to consider getting a carry handle. You can put a scope on the carry handle with a 'see through' mount like below.

 

[Falguy]

Having been a 22 aficionado for many years my opinions as to what will work have become somewhat ridged.
You may want to take what I say with a grain of salt



I would like to cover a few things first

1)Magnification
My personal favorite is the Leupold 2-7x28 rimfire scope at $220
Stock # - LEU58700 at SWFA
Next would be the Weaver 2-7x28 rimfire at $140
Stock # - 849431 at SWFA
The 2-7 magnification is just about perfect for the limited function of the 22LR.The small oclular/bell size make mounting easy without being too high for the comb.

I've found the 22LR to be a 50yd round. Yes it can shoot farther. I have an Anshutz 1710D but this is a $1,200 rifle



2) Co-witnessing
Waste of time for most applications and "yes" I have an AR that does co-witness with my Aimpoint red dot
I think you will be much better served by using irons or red dot/ magnification/whatever....
Co-witnessing doesn't work with magnafication.

 

[Falguy]

Snyderman. You asked if;

If money was no object, how would you build on the Magpul 22? What would you get, what does that mod do exactly, and where would you get it?


First, I would start with a Nordic NC22 upper. This upper will fit on any AR lower. This will give you the option of either 223 or 22LR

Next I would change out the handguard to a free float such as the Houge at $60 or the V-Tac at $187. I chose Houge

Next would be a Magpul commercial MOE stock(SKU #:100-003-539) at $60 with a commercial 6 position commercial buffer tube(SKU #:080-000-556 Brownells)


And last would be a Magpul MIAD grip at $45(SKU #:100-003-646)

The trigger I would leave as stock.


If my computer fu was stronger I would be able to include pictures but such is not the case

 

[DownRange&Upwind]

The answer to the question of can this be conveted to a .223 is no. This is a dedicated .22 platform. The blue springs are the part of the"new specs" that S&W puts on the newer serial rifles and ones that go in for repairs.. They were a huge help in no more OOB, and FTE & FTF. They also included a non rotating extractor pin on the newer models as well. Also the new generation of magazines has 22LR AND 25 Rounds written on them. Where as the first gen ones only had 22LR. And it seems there were issues with some of those magazines as well, but not all of them. This was possibly even the cause or partial causes of some of the issues.

 

[Rustpot]

Snyderman. You asked if;

If money was no object, how would you build on the Magpul 22? What would you get, what does that mod do exactly, and where would you get it?


First, I would start with a Nordic NC22 upper. This upper will fit on any AR lower. This will give you the option of either 223 or 22LR

I think he's referring specifically to the MOE 15-22, and nott a ground up build of an AR with Magpul items in .22LR


There are spring kits available to lighten the action of the AR15 platform, and the 15-22 uses standard AR15 trigger group components. The springs are just about the cheapest option to lighten the trigger. A smoother trigger requires you to polish the components. You can also buy any AR15 drop-in trigger kit to get everything you want with a lot less hassle if money is no object.

The 15-22 CANNOT accept a .223 upper receiver, nor be converted to shoot it.

If you need magnification but want to use iron sights you have a few options;
1- Buy a 1-4x scope and get the appropriate riser to cowitness, utilizing the flip sights.
2- Buy a scope with a quick disconnect mount and possibly lose zero when you remove it. There are mounts designed not to lose zero when removed, but I wouldn't be sure they work on the 15-22 plastic rails.
3- Buy a red dot with a 3,5, or 7x magnifier that can be flipped or removed without losing zero of the optic.
4-Offset the scope to the side of the rifle. Sounds simple, but I have no idea if or how it would work.


If money was limitless I wouldn't have a .22, I'd do all of my shooting in .223/5.56

I think building a full on 20" target/sniper style 15-22 would be pretty damn sweet though. Something capable of sub-MOA groups in .22 with an integral suppressor.

 

[Snyderman]

Thank you very much for all the input! Ive been zipping around looking at these sights and mods, this is gonna be fun!

I think he's referring specifically to the MOE 15-22, and nott a ground up build of an AR with Magpul items in .22LR

Yes, the factory jobber. I think the $509 before tacks was a decent price, esp straight from a dealer. Am I nuts?

The short answer is no. Some say that they can use iron sights with the Millet DMS but it ain't the 'pure' you're talking about. If you want available magnification and use of iron sights then you might want to consider getting a carry handle. You can put a scope on the carry handle with a 'see through' mount like below.

I have looked at a couple of these see thru mounts from different companies, but they all show examples of them mounted on rifles w/o the magpul sights. I guess Ill have to try some out in a shop or something.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I have looked at a couple of these see thru mounts from different companies, but they all show examples of them mounted on rifles w/o the magpul sights. I guess Ill have to try some out in a shop or something.

The rear sight is part of the carry handle. It works with a standard A2 or MBUS front sight. You won't see many MBUS front sights on the gas block of an AR because of heat issues. The scope is above the iron sights with a see thru mount so there are no co-witness issues. Not sure what other see thru mounting methods you are looking at for an AR platform.